Character Discussion Not Onigashima, but Pluton?

#1
Even without giving him a proper flashback, do you think Kaido's character would have improved if in his last fight with Luffy, after the awakening of the Nika Nika, Kaido went for a last Hail Mary plot: not turning into a gigantic magma dragon; not trying to take Luffy's giant fist head on; but instead trying to unearth Pluton?

Say he already knew about the Ancient Weapon, but was trying to keep it as a trump card against the WG for the Final War.
And say he also didn't tire himself stupidly by lifting Onigashima for no reason, instead using his flames to levitate the volcanic chamber underneath Wano wherein Pluton lies dormant.

Of course he would have to fail in the attempt, but in doing so inexorably tying his name to the AW more than Croc has done in Alabasta. It'd be a double countdown climax: Luffy has to stop Kaido before he activates Pluton, but it can't be a series of punches, because that only prolongs the extraction process, which itself is sending earthquakes all throughout Wano, killing innocents. Luffy has to be quick about it, a 1-KO-hit, which a giant Bajrang won't accomplish, being easily avoidable.

Would a final Wano act built around Pluton specifically and around Kaido's desperation to be Joyboy at any cost improve his portrayal?

Would an arc cliffhanger in which Kaido manages to fire Pluton once into the distance before fainting, with world consequences to be explored in the following arc (who knows what island got destroyed by mistake), get more engagement from the audience?
 
#3
No, that would be bad for Kaido's character.
He acted as he should have.
You think so?
I find his final confrontation with Luffy shortsighted, as well as him not knowing that he'd been sitting on Pluton all along a little hard to believe. Orochi had spies everywhere, yet they never got a whiff of the AW lying under Wano?
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#5
You think so?
I find his final confrontation with Luffy shortsighted, as well as him not knowing that he'd been sitting on Pluton all along a little hard to believe. Orochi had spies everywhere, yet they never got a whiff of the AW lying under Wano?
He never needed Pluton against Luffy, he was stronger than him from the start until the end.
Unearthing Pluton in those moments instead of Blazing Bagua is both impossible and against Kaido's personality.
 
#6
I don't even think it makes sense to throw onigashima into the flower Capitol. Using pluton to destroy Wano or random islands is similarly just weird
 
#7
He never needed Pluton against Luffy, he was stronger than him from the start until the end.
Unearthing Pluton in those moments instead of Blazing Bagua is both impossible and against Kaido's personality.
I don't even think it makes sense to throw onigashima into the flower Capitol. Using pluton to destroy Wano or random islands is similarly just weird
At the end of the fight, Kaido became too cocky. IMO, the lava dragon was a mistake. If he had an ace up of his sleeve, these last moments is when he should've played it.

In the version of things I was proposing, Kaido remains just as cocky, having access to Pluton all along, but deciding not to use it against some "rookies".
But, once he sees that Luffy might be Joyboy after all, and that me could lose, I am not proposing that Kaido tries to destroy Wano with Pluton, but that he makes a last second dash for the Ancient Weapon, hoping to get away in it and to begin the prophesized Final War by openly firing it against Mariejois or other WG landmarks.
 
#8
At the end of the fight, Kaido became too cocky. IMO, the lava dragon was a mistake. If he had an ace up of his sleeve, these last moments is when he should've played it.

In the version of things I was proposing, Kaido remains just as cocky, having access to Pluton all along, but deciding not to use it against some "rookies".
But, once he sees that Luffy might be Joyboy after all, and that me could lose, I am not proposing that Kaido tries to destroy Wano with Pluton, but that he makes a last second dash for the Ancient Weapon, hoping to get away in it and to begin the prophesized Final War by openly firing it against Mariejois or other WG landmarks.
This is minor, but it's not like Luffy tries killing enemies. He wanted Kaido to leave Wano and leave his friends alone,but on paper he wouldn't have an issue about him terrorizing another country(think about how he freed Crocodile from prison after he said he would leave Alabasta alone)
Plus, wouldn't it be weird for Luffys to *explicitly* save Mariejois?

Don't think it works
 
#9
Plus, wouldn't it be weird for Luffys to *explicitly* save Mariejois?
Why, you think he's letting it be destroyed in canon anytime soon?
Even as IMU falls, if there are people in need of help (slaves, Shanks, CDs who aren't yet fully corrupted), Luffy won't let MJ get destroyed.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#10
At the end of the fight, Kaido became too cocky. IMO, the lava dragon was a mistake. If he had an ace up of his sleeve, these last moments is when he should've played it.

In the version of things I was proposing, Kaido remains just as cocky, having access to Pluton all along, but deciding not to use it against some "rookies".
But, once he sees that Luffy might be Joyboy after all, and that me could lose, I am not proposing that Kaido tries to destroy Wano with Pluton, but that he makes a last second dash for the Ancient Weapon, hoping to get away in it and to begin the prophesized Final War by openly firing it against Mariejois or other WG landmarks.
Lava Dragon wasn't a mistake, he fought size with size+heat.
It is within his character to take things head on despite, as he said, the possibility of not having to do that.
Resorting to Pluton is against Kaido's character because he considers himself as the strongest and resorting to Pluton is admitting otherwise.
And pulling Pluton in that moment is impossible because it takes a long time to do that.
>Kaido hoping to get away... Bruh? Kaido ain't running away from nobody.
 
#11
Why, you think he's letting it be destroyed in canon anytime soon?
Even as IMU falls, if there are people in need of help (slaves, Shanks, CDs who aren't yet fully corrupted), Luffy won't let MJ get destroyed.
Nah, we know Luffy won't destroy Mariejois, but having him save Mariejois as the final part of his fight with a villain would just be kind of odd. I understand the parallels with the defend d slave owner duo and Luffy, but it would be a bit forced
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If your interest is in Kaido and Pluton,well we can be sure either he or Big Mom is still alive. So we will see what they do when they return to the story, and maybe they know about the ancient weapon. Though I don't remember if anything has been confirmed
 
#14
At the end of the fight, Kaido became too cocky. IMO, the lava dragon was a mistake. If he had an ace up of his sleeve, these last moments is when he should've played it.
That move is bad for him but it was all psychological, he needed it to owe up to the 'fair fight', to find out whether Luffy is the Joyboy, and he had been waiting for far too long for this prime chance to be slipped away.
 
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