General & Others Oda’s failure : execution
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How about learn how to read and stop committing a straw man fallacy? The guy literally provide you examples of EXECUTION issues and yet you completely neglect it and put in your own word of "expectation"? When you hype Kaido up so much having him fall off the sky, easily beating the supernovas, being "the strongest creature on land, sea and sky" , then one shotting Luffy but then only having Luffy train for a week and all of a sudden he is able to keep up with HYBRID Kaido while Luffy is in BASE, that has NOTHING to do with expectation. That is 100% execution.
You really seem to be lost. No one's calling execution and expectation the same thing. I'm referring to the correlation, and I stated the correlation in the last post. I'm not gonna bother repeating it for deaf ears, read what I said, again.
As far as your Kaido example goes. You're dead wrong as well, Kaido only easily beat Kid, who fought alone and had no way of fighting back competitively, while Hawkins submitted and Apoo betrayed. He only beat Luffy easily because Luffy was too freaked out too use his CoO and had no way of damaging Kaido. Not to mention, Kaido has been exhausting himself and consistently taking damage for how long now? He fought the Scabbards, he fought Kid, he fought Luffy, he fought Zoro, he fought Law, he fought Killer, and now he's also going to fight Yamato. You're also forgetting Luffy was constantly protected by Law and Zoro in their fights.
Luffy did not suddenly gain enormous strength in a week, he learned a technique that allows him to penetrate Kaido's scales, which makes his moves actually be able to hurt Kaido and not overpower them.
Now, here's where the expectations come in, you want Kaido, the strongest creature, to be the invincible creature. You lose your shit just seeing Luffy keep up with him, even if for a second, you seem to forget a duel between two people is not two seconds and lasts only between two people. You seem to forget how many people Kaido has fought all this time in this raid. You seem to forget their fight isn't over yet. You expect something edgy like Kaido winning and killing everyone. That's the issue. That is, your expectations.
Anything else?
As far as your Kaido example goes. You're dead wrong as well, Kaido only easily beat Kid, who fought alone and had no way of fighting back competitively, while Hawkins submitted and Apoo betrayed. He only beat Luffy easily because Luffy was too freaked out too use his CoO and had no way of damaging Kaido. Not to mention, Kaido has been exhausting himself and consistently taking damage for how long now? He fought the Scabbards, he fought Kid, he fought Luffy, he fought Zoro, he fought Law, he fought Killer, and now he's also going to fight Yamato. You're also forgetting Luffy was constantly protected by Law and Zoro in their fights.
Luffy did not suddenly gain enormous strength in a week, he learned a technique that allows him to penetrate Kaido's scales, which makes his moves actually be able to hurt Kaido and not overpower them.
Now, here's where the expectations come in, you want Kaido, the strongest creature, to be the invincible creature. You lose your shit just seeing Luffy keep up with him, even if for a second, you seem to forget a duel between two people is not two seconds and lasts only between two people. You seem to forget how many people Kaido has fought all this time in this raid. You seem to forget their fight isn't over yet. You expect something edgy like Kaido winning and killing everyone. That's the issue. That is, your expectations.
Anything else?
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OP has become all just hype, hype, hype, no delivery. That combined with the fact how Oda drags shit too much, an example:
What was the point to take Zeus away from Nami if BM was simply gonna make a strong thunder homie anyway, while Nami gets Zeus AGAIN back = Waste of time, chapters, panels, pages.
10/10
What was the point to take Zeus away from Nami if BM was simply gonna make a strong thunder homie anyway, while Nami gets Zeus AGAIN back = Waste of time, chapters, panels, pages.
10/10
No, and no need to exaggerate my statements to boost your low tier arguments, you used "easily beating Supernovas" in your argument and I addressed that part. I only implied it was an easy fight because of said reasons.
Yep, Ancient Zoans give enormous endurance, not infinite endurance. Kaido isn't even wheezing after fighting the Scabbards, Kid, Killer, Luffy, Zoro and Law. That commends on his enormous endurance and strength. I already said this in my post, read carefully.
Yep, Ancient Zoans give enormous endurance, not infinite endurance. Kaido isn't even wheezing after fighting the Scabbards, Kid, Killer, Luffy, Zoro and Law. That commends on his enormous endurance and strength. I already said this in my post, read carefully.
This is true. He is a master of creating hype, but his executions are subpar. I am no writer but I always thought building a hype is more difficult than execution for a writer. Apparently Oda finds execution more difficult than building hype. Probably it has something to do with Oda not killing off even unimportant characters. How would a writer buildup any sort tension if nobody is going to die
I'll only state this once more, I know what I implied, and if you couldn't comprehend, I'll spell it out for you, again, I implied the fight between "Supernovas" was easy because of said reasons like Kid being in 3v1 and Luffy not having any way to damage Kaido.
Lol, I said he doesn't have infinite endurance, that's all. He has done more than enough to be at a point where he is now. You're bringing up "NOOOO THIS DOESN'T COUNT HE HAS TO DO MORE NOOO" out of nowhere. He's not invincible, he doesn't have infinite endurance, he will grow weaker and weaker and exhaust his strength more and more the more strong people he fights.
Whitebeard fought for like seconds before he died after his melted face, nothing says Kaido can't do the same. Kaido literally got scarred by Zoro and didn't even fall down, that's because of his strength. Never said Kaido can't keep up with base Luffy though, are you really this bad at comprehending or are you making things up? I specifically pointed out Kaido isn't even wheezing despite everyone he's fought.
Lol, I said he doesn't have infinite endurance, that's all. He has done more than enough to be at a point where he is now. You're bringing up "NOOOO THIS DOESN'T COUNT HE HAS TO DO MORE NOOO" out of nowhere. He's not invincible, he doesn't have infinite endurance, he will grow weaker and weaker and exhaust his strength more and more the more strong people he fights.
Whitebeard fought for like seconds before he died after his melted face, nothing says Kaido can't do the same. Kaido literally got scarred by Zoro and didn't even fall down, that's because of his strength. Never said Kaido can't keep up with base Luffy though, are you really this bad at comprehending or are you making things up? I specifically pointed out Kaido isn't even wheezing despite everyone he's fought.
Wrong. For example, Whitebeard was hyped as strongest man, it was only right to give him a proper fight, not cheap shot him and find excuses to side line him. How about Akainu (or someone else) losing an arm during that fight, not even a captain died there or got grave injuries. This has been One Piece's problem, it is not new. Some have adapted to it, and accepted it as greatness, while some still dont like it (and rightly so).
Wano is just another example of that, why give scabbards a fight against Kaido when they are going to lose. Ok, they lost, but they are back up again like nothing happened (ohhh someone healed them, subarashiii).
Either make them powerful and let them deal damage, or dont put them against a fu***n Yonkou.
It took 9 of them to do Togen Totsuka, while half dead Zoro left a permanent scar on Kaido. All 9 of em combined < Zoro. So, who in the right mind would put them against Kaido? (But Oda will do it, to waste chapters).
Fake hype master, and talented in milking that great hype, 100% agreed with this post.
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Luffy can win, who is against Luffy? I am happy that Luffy got stronger and now Oda has less material and ideas to waste on his training, I am happy that Kaido is getting shitted on by everybody. So much for world building, 90 chapters on hyping up the characters and then letting them get defeated offscreen.
Wano is just another example of that, why give scabbards a fight against Kaido when they are going to lose. Ok, they lost, but they are back up again like nothing happened (ohhh someone healed them, subarashiii).
Either make them powerful and let them deal damage, or dont put them against a fu***n Yonkou.
It took 9 of them to do Togen Totsuka, while half dead Zoro left a permanent scar on Kaido. All 9 of em combined < Zoro. So, who in the right mind would put them against Kaido? (But Oda will do it, to waste chapters).
Fake hype master, and talented in milking that great hype, 100% agreed with this post.
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Luffy can win, who is against Luffy? I am happy that Luffy got stronger and now Oda has less material and ideas to waste on his training, I am happy that Kaido is getting shitted on by everybody. So much for world building, 90 chapters on hyping up the characters and then letting them get defeated offscreen.
Didn't say that.
Is this a fucking joke? I've been putting up with your trash enough already.
I already explained that isn't a fallacy but an extended arm over why your argument is so goddamn stupid. Now, go back to the main argument since all you've been doing is ignoring them and crying about "muh strawman". Kaido doesn't have infinite endurance, he will gradually grow weaker. He has grown weaker now. He is much weaker than he originally was now. That's the simplest explanation you can get.
Maybe put on your glasses and READ instead of cherry picking words since your argument has been constantly proven to be null and void.
Is this a fucking joke? I've been putting up with your trash enough already.
I already explained that isn't a fallacy but an extended arm over why your argument is so goddamn stupid. Now, go back to the main argument since all you've been doing is ignoring them and crying about "muh strawman". Kaido doesn't have infinite endurance, he will gradually grow weaker. He has grown weaker now. He is much weaker than he originally was now. That's the simplest explanation you can get.
Maybe put on your glasses and READ instead of cherry picking words since your argument has been constantly proven to be null and void.
OMG HE LIED BAD BAD BAD HE LIED OMG OMG IM RUNNING AWAY!!!!!!! Jesus Christ what a pathetic sight.
"Didn't say that" refers to the part about Kaido being irrelevant and the only relevant part being that the 3 against Kaido lost because Kid was alone.
If you wanted to admit you were wrong, there's much better ways. I accept your concession.
"Didn't say that" refers to the part about Kaido being irrelevant and the only relevant part being that the 3 against Kaido lost because Kid was alone.
If you wanted to admit you were wrong, there's much better ways. I accept your concession.
I'm not talking about your examples though. The OP who has me on ignore has made a thousand disguised threads to say Oda fucked up because Big Mom didn't shine as much as he wanted.
He said a thousand times that the raid is going to fail, that people were going to die and now that it's not happening he's just finding excuses to say Oda didn't deliver.
Ad for Kaido vs Luffy I don't see any problem so far in that fight.
He said a thousand times that the raid is going to fail, that people were going to die and now that it's not happening he's just finding excuses to say Oda didn't deliver.
Ad for Kaido vs Luffy I don't see any problem so far in that fight.
I guess it would be better executed if the alliance lost, had half the crew dead then another time skip where in each chapter we see Luffy and Zoro training then they go against Kaido and Big Mom again but they inevitably are defeated again because they are Yonkou. Then after some more hundreds of training chapters Luffy can finally take on Kaido but he actually has already died of old age so Luffy can move on.