Character Discussion Oda Actually Respects Yamato?

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Still dangerous.:pepedoffy:That's like Sanji was calling Mihawk "Strongest Man" back in Baratie but in context, we know he's talking about World's Best Swordsman.:pepecafe:
Mihawk has got a consistent title on his back anyway. So that cannot be slept on of course. But it's not just for the title at all, the overall portrayal and build up over Zoro's intricacies is what renders the man special in particular.
 

Cinera

𝐀𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐲 𝐏𝐞𝐭
I gotta call bullshit on qualifying Yamato vs Luffy as a victory. Especially because Yamato confirms that Luffy actually wasn't serious despite saying he was.
Yamato doesn't say that Luffy wasn't serious, she said that he didn't go all out, and he didn't — he didn't use G4 — otherwise, Luffy was really pissed off and impatient and was trying his damnedest to get past her.

Luffy failed to achieve his objective and gave up and listened to Yamato, thus he lost.

Again, this is a Yamato that did not fight back at all and was trying not to hurt him:
 
@Cinera, somehow you're going by scan selection at the expense of reading comprehension. Losing =/= hearing someone out by choice. He already understood that Yamato had no ill will and he didn't come to that conclusion after conflict.

"He was serious, but didn't go all out." Semantics. You can't claim Yamato laid out the opponent he was going to use Gear 4 against as a no diff, and then say Luffy lost when he deliberately avoided using that level of strength against the same Yamato.

Luffy's ability to take the cuffs off also was an immediate comparison of their Haki; Luffy's first mastered demonstration of internal destruction which Yamato clearly doesn't possess. So he didn't use his real strength of DF or Haki to force an outcome, instead decided to talk and then help Yamato. Sounds like an inconclusive clash if there ever was one.
 
Respecting women and Oda shouldn't be in the same sentence. So far he has respected Yamato the most, but that can change when she joins the crew easily. Robin was treated pretty good before she joined and well now you know.. He does atleast seem to respect her strenght, but let's how it develops going forward she could be a lone excpetion, but I refuse to give that sexist the benefit of the doubt with his track record..
 

Cinera

𝐀𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐲 𝐏𝐞𝐭
Losing =/= hearing someone out by choice. He already understood that Yamato had no ill will and he didn't come to that conclusion after conflict.
He chose to fight Yamato even knowing she had no ill will. He gave up on fighting her when it was not working. He didn't want to hear her out, she forced him to, because he couldn't get past her.



"He was serious, but didn't go all out." Semantics. You can't claim Yamato laid out the opponent he was going to use Gear 4 against as a no diff, and then say Luffy lost when he deliberately avoided using that level of strength against the same Yamato.
Luffy was trying his hardest to get past Yamato without using G4. He's shown to be incredibly pissed off, he's sweating and he's huffing.

He's clearly exerting himself greatly.


Luffy's ability to take the cuffs off also was an immediate comparison of their Haki; Luffy's first mastered demonstration of internal destruction which Yamato clearly doesn't possess. So he didn't use his real strength of DF or Haki to force an outcome, instead decided to talk and then help Yamato. Sounds like an inconclusive clash if there ever was one.
Zoro can't use internal destruction, yet he could cut up Kaido. Even with internal destruction, Luffy's damage was "too shallow". It's not clear that Luffy did not use internal destruction against Yamato.

The battle was not inconclusive because Yamato achieved her victory condition: "get Luffy to listen to me" and Luffy failed at his: "get past Yamato". Yamato was never attacking Luffy, fighting back or trying to hurt him. Luffy giving up on fighting her is what victory looks like.
 

Cinera

𝐀𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐲 𝐏𝐞𝐭
If Oda respects any woman in One Piece then he has a very weird way of showing it, you'll never see a Toph or an Azula or a Korra in One Piece.
He respects Yamato as a combatant. She's the only female combatant he does actually.
 
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