Current Events Oda completely lost the plot at the end of Egghead

[Logiko]

How do I phrase this without hurting you...

You're either a great troll or simply think of yourself as way smarter than you actually are.

Like seriously, what's up with all those ridiculously long and weird monologues when all that is being discussed here is a shonen (!) manga?

I know that was is preventing people here, is not their intelligence, but their bias against the story. So I'm trying to be as pedagogic as possible and explain in detail just like I would explain things to a studient who doesn't understand a concept.

Also, don't underestimate narrative quality and value of any support.

Manga are not a necessarily a bad support to create amazing work. It's a support of narrative expression like anything else. Don't devalue what you are reading just because it's popular with the masses... you are only playing the games of those who consider people reading manga as illiterate and uneducated..

well he said countless times he is smarter than most of us

Never said that.

 

[Owl Ki]

You saw two angry Carrot fans, I saw 300 mate, what are you even talking about ?



Not the Carrot fan of my branch. You met the Anti-Jinbe Carrot fans. There was a shiism that I participated in. I refused to create any hate against Jinbe. In fact, I specifically created content and analysis to explain why Carrot and Jinbe were complementary in the narration of Whole cake and maybe.. One Piece, so not the Carrot fans I know mate :)

Again, you met a few angry fans and considered that it was a generality. It is not. Most Carrot fans are subborn, yes. But they are harmless.

Well.. as long as there is no character poll on the line.

Well then you can ask around and see what everyone else's experience with the Carrot Crusaders was on Oro Jackson + Worst Gen and see if my experience with them was isolated or repeated.

When I see the behaviors here, I'm not surprised yes. SOme behaviors here are not worthy of a One Piece fanbase.

Are they the same behaviours that got your arse booted from Arlong Park?

Nah, they have the same problem as here. Systemic problem.

Let me guess. Everywhere else that ran out of patience for dealing with your shenanigans also had some systemic problem too?

Like all the people who are reminding me of this (be careful because she still has a chance) you are confusing a fundamental thing:

A theory is not an analysis

I made both in case of Carrot. My theory was supported by my analysis. Let's take a metaphor:

Do you see this birdhouse ?

Very sweet, right ? If you had to make a description of this bird house, you would say that it is composed of 6, maybe more small rooms, roofs and a little stair, right ?

And if someone asks you "what will happen with this bird house ?", you would say that there are high chances that birds take nest in one of those chambers, right ?

But, you wouldn't say directly that this birdhouse is not real, right ?

Well that's the same thing here :

> One Piece is the photography of this birdhouse
> My analysis of Carrot's path is the description of the birdhouse
> My theory is the fact of saying that a bird will come to nest in the house

The Carrot theory and the analysis of the story of Carrot are two separate things, but to make a Carrot theory, I need to stand on a description of the analysis of her story.

An analysis is a description of what makes the story what it is. For example, a point of the analysis of Carrot is that Carrot was created to be a symbolic bridge between the concept of night and the concept of the day or between the sun and the moon. Said assertion can be created by observing various parameters in :

- Carrot's characterization
- Carrot's story
- Carrot's personnality
- Carrot's design

A theory is not that.

A theory is the model created to support an hypothesis. In my case, the hypothesis was : "Carrot will be on the Sunny after wano and Join the group". This was completed by a reasonning and a form of point distribution system to see which character was the closest to join the group and if Carrot really had the potential to join.

My reasonning and methodology was SOMEWHAT correct (even if it wasn't perfect)
BUT
My hypothesis was proven false.

Therefore my theory was proven false.

BUT

My analysis of the story of Carrot is STILL correct. Just like your description of this birdhouse would still be correct, even if a bird never comes to nest in.

That's why I keep telling people that despite being proven false, it doesn't change much. Carrot still has a potential and something somewhere happened that is not logical (unless, Oda prepares something for her at the moment, and if so.. it's gonna be big)

"The analysis of Carrot is correct!"

> Analyses that Carrot will join the Straw Hats.
> Carrot does not join the Straw Hats.

Lmao. Just accept the L you pompous, pretentious, primadonna. ZKK clan didn't make anywhere near this many excuses after Wano ended.

 

[AL sama]

Never said that.

check your posts yourself if you think I m wrong

 

[Fuckthis3]

Title went from "oda completely lost his mind" to his lost the plot.....

 

[Punk Rotten]

Some of you should probably stop reading weekly

 

[grey matter]

Oda has proven again and again that he cannot manage that much characters in a single Arc, if he had actual editors the story would be much much better.

Egghead suffers from the same illness that every post time skip arc suffer, too many characters.


The final war will be a gigantic pile of nonsense it's obvious now.

Dresrossa was amazing inspite of there being several characters to manage.
So many side characters, yet the main ones managed to stand out and be impactful and memorable.

Clearly the issue is execution, and not too side many characters.
Even Wano in act 1 and act 2 had great potential, where Loda fumbled is that the side characters and sub plots that he teased/built up went nowhere, so it turned out to be completle waste of time. Like for example - the ninja bosses, samurai masters, yakuza and even some Scabbards basically did nothing in the raid.

 

[Peroroncino]

How do I phrase this without hurting you...

You're either a great troll or simply think of yourself as way smarter than you actually are.

Like seriously, what's up with all those ridiculously long and weird monologues when all that is being discussed here is a shonen (!) manga?

it's called the dunning kruger effect

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Characters that had now long forgotten Nakama Groups like Pedro, Bellamy, Bartolomeo, Law and even longshot or flat out crackpot character options like Caesar Clown don't get memed on anywhere near as much (if at all)

you forgot Lucci

Dear lord, you even sound like an OJ mod.

Goats

 

[dirtyLarry]

So I'm trying to be as pedagogic as possible and explain in detail just like I would explain things to a studient who doesn't understand a concept.

One major problem: You are not in a position to teach/lecture anyone on this forum.

You just think you are.

Maybe try to reflect first if you can.

Why is it that nearly everyone here disagrees with you and is irritated/annoyed when discussing with you?

Why were you banned even on AP forums?

If you still come go the conclusion "yep, all the countless others are always the problem, not me" then I don't know what to say anymore either.

 

[Logiko]

check your posts yourself if you think I m wrong

I checked.

Never said that.

Well then you can ask around and see what everyone else's experience with the Carrot Crusaders was on Oro Jackson + Worst Gen and see if my experience with them was isolated or repeated.

I'm not denying what you lived on Worstgen or Oro, those are not good place to see peacefull fans. What I'm telling you is that what you saw, was 1% of the entire Carrot fanbase. I know this fanbase and I know that it is harmless.

Are they the same behaviours that got your arse booted from Arlong Park?

Why were you banned even on AP forums?

The reason why I was Banned from Arlong Park is the same reason why I was threadbanned the first time from the Nakama thread : I denounced the Toxicity of users there (that is very similar to the toxicity I face here). And since I directed also my critic on a bad moderation there, they didn't like that. And banned me instantly. Worstgen has the merit of letting people criticize the system, hence why I see a potential on this forum.

> Analyses that Carrot will join the Straw Hats

That's not an analysis mate, that's an hypothesis.

One major problem: You are not in a position to teach/lecture anyone on this forum.

Actually I am.

I know that from experience. Someone might know more aboutstorytelling that I do, but I never met them here.

Why is it that nearly everyone here disagrees with you and is irritated/annoyed when discussing with you?

Because I'm not doing it with a smile, but with my teeth out. The reason : Because I have no other choice.

If you still come go the conclusion "yep, all the countless others are always the problem, not me" then I don't know what to say anymore either.

In this very case, that's the case. There are MANY situations in life where "I" am the problem indeed. But not on this forum.

What I do here, is shade a light on a problem that exist without me and will still exist after I'm gone.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Seems like AP is a forum for Oda dicksuckers

They've got dickriders sure, but it's not nearly as bad as you think lol.

 

[AL sama]

I checked.

Never said that.

I know I m not wrong but whatever

 

[R A I T E I I I]

It felt weird. I was hoping more idk... conclusion? If that makes sense at all.

 

[AL sama]

I know that from experience. Someone might know more aboutstorytelling that I do, but I never met them here.

here's an example of the "I m smarter than most of you" technique

 

[Zenos7]

here's an example of the "I m smarter than most of you" technique

lmao, and in the same post where he denied it. dude needs some help

 

[Logiko]

here's an example of the "I m smarter than most of you" technique

This is me telling you that I have more knowledges on the subject, not more intelligence or that I'm "smarter". I know that because most people here don't understand the narration of the story and because at every corner I need to make long essay to have a glimps of hope that they will understand why specific plot points are actually not what they think they are.

You are confusing intelligence with knowledge.

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You guys think that I think that I'm smarter. I'm not. I don't even count the number of times where I told you that I did a LOT of mistakes.

I'm not Vegapunk, and that's a reason why people here don't understand this story. Vegapunk was a genius, his lack of failure made him think that he knew everything about himself. And therefore completely underestimated his greed and demonized his impredictibility and disruptive self.

I've failed my entire life. In fact I'm failing right now on this forum and IRL. I know that I'm not smart because I know just how bad I can screw things up sometimes. To know what I know now, I had to understand first that I knew nothing.

That's why I'm so sure of myself in the places where I'm not a failure. So, when I'm telling you guys that this story is good and that this forum is negative, do not reject everything I say.

Reject me if you want. I don't care, I will most likely won't be on this forum for much longer, but THINK about what I say. Check around you. Keep the doubt alive. Start reading the story on your own, take a break, put some music during your experience, take a snack..

Don't pressure your expectation, just enjoy what is coming.

And come back to it with a more critical mind, search for meaning and maybe flaws.. but don't do it because other people are doing it to.

I swear in the name of Usopp : One Piece is the story of the century. For so many reasons !

You won't have the occasions to enjoy this story this way in your life twice.

Do not waste it.

 

[Malio]

Vegapunk [if he used his smarts]:
- find out York is the traitor
- create fake memories
- destroy/transfer all the data you researched.
- 💀 York
- send message out to the world

Oda:
Vegapunk wiped his memories & doesn't stop York. Plans to die for some reason

 

[AL sama]

This is me telling you that I have more knowledges on the subject, not more intelligence or that I'm "smarter". I know that because most people here don't understand the narration of the story and because at every corner I need to make long essay to have a glimps of hope that they will understand why specific plot points are actually not what they think they are.

You are confusing intelligence with knowledge.

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You guys think that I think that I'm smarter. I'm not. I don't even count the number of times where I told you that I did a LOT of mistakes.

I'm not Vegapunk, and that's a reason why people here don't understand this story. Vegapunk was a genius, his lack of failure made him think that he knew everything about himself. And therefore completely underestimated his greed and demonized his impredictibility and disruptive self.

I've failed my entire life. In fact I'm failing right now on this forum and IRL. I know that I'm not smart because I know just how bad I can screw things up sometimes. To know what I know now, I had to understand first that I knew nothing.

That's why I'm so sure of myself in the places where I'm not a failure. So, when I'm telling you guys that this story is good and that this forum is negative, do not reject everything I say.

Reject me if you want. I don't care, I will most likely won't be on this forum for much longer, but THINK about what I say. Check around you. Keep the doubt alive. Start reading the story on your own, take a break, put some music during your experience, take a snack..

Don't pressure your expectation, just enjoy what is coming.

And come back to it with a more critical mind, search for meaning and maybe flaws.. but don't do it because other people are doing it to.

I swear in the name of Usopp : One Piece is the story of the century. For so many reasons !

You won't have the occasions to enjoy this story this way in your life twice.

Do not waste it.

 

[Logiko]

Vegapunk [if he used his smarts]:
- find out York is the traitor
- create fake memories
- destroy/transfer all the data you researched
- 💀 York
- send message out to the world

- find out York is the traitor : he did
- create fake memories : That would not have changed anything
- destroy/transfer all the data you researched. : That would not have changed anything, the deed was done
- 💀 York : Same thing, that would have changed nothing
- send message out to the world: Without his own death, the world would not have believed him

 

[Alarica]

Let's get this out of the way: We all complained that the last 20 chapters were dragging like crazy and could've easily been squeezed into 5 chapters from a plot standpoint.

But now sth worse happened: The current chapter makes no sense in terms of logic whatsoever and therefore bombs the entire rest of the Egghead arc in hindsight.

This entire Vegapunk memory erasure plot makes no sense.

They know that York is the traitor and has already told the WG everything they need to know (their void century research), even sent them part of the Mother Flame to use it.

At this point they know their fate is sealed and Egghead is going to be erased.

So why the actual fuck would you sit there, let York continue and program a video message to play out only once you're dead?

You know that you still have some time, so actually arrest/eliminate York, make sure the Mother Flame is destroyed and then send out the message to the entire world immediately, while you're dipping with the Seraphim, Pacifista etc. from Egghead.

It makes zero sense whatsoever. There is absolutely no logical argument to save this.

YESSS thank you for this post! This chapter makes no sence.