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Of course, we are comparing things that are comparable here. Everyone makes mistakes even in higher degree, they just make less.
But if character in One Piece are NOT are high level competitors, they are NOT disciplined to make the most efficient moves, they are trained to simply be able to defend themselves. And some character will have better judgment than others:
For ex: Luffy will often make mistakes as big as him in G5, but Lucci will make fewer because of his training and his position.
Usually no, but it can happen when there is a world cup finale or something like that. It's still a bit entertaining, it's just not what I like.
On the other hand, I like to watch E-Sport (Valorant / Rocket League)
Of course, we are comparing things that are comparable here. Everyone makes mistakes even in higher degree, they just make less.
But if character in One Piece are NOT are high level competitors, they are NOT disciplined to make the most efficient moves, they are trained to simply be able to defend themselves. And some character will have better judgment than others:
For ex: Luffy will often make mistakes as big as him in G5, but Lucci will make fewer because of his training and his position.
Usually no, but it can happen when there is a world cup finale or something like that. It's still a bit entertaining, it's just not what I like.
On the other hand, I like to watch E-Sport (Valorant / Rocket League)
Genuine question: How would you determine when that's not a satisfactory explanation?
Let's say, hypothetically, sometime soon we cut to Imu ordering another strike with Uranus. Let's say the way it works is you just put in coordinates, and then push a button, and it just works.
Turns out he put in the wrong coordinates, and Uranus wipes out the entirety of Mariejois, along with the Gorosei, Imu themselves, all the Holy Knights, Celestial Dragons, etc. they're now all dead.
Could I use the same explanation? Why or why not?
Let's say, hypothetically, sometime soon we cut to Imu ordering another strike with Uranus. Let's say the way it works is you just put in coordinates, and then push a button, and it just works.
Turns out he put in the wrong coordinates, and Uranus wipes out the entirety of Mariejois, along with the Gorosei, Imu themselves, all the Holy Knights, Celestial Dragons, etc. they're now all dead.
Could I use the same explanation? Why or why not?
People are often not educated on storytelling. So they see a rules and consider that it must applies in every situations with no nuances and no counter rules. Let me give you an example, you must know the sentence "don't use deus ex machina in stories", well guess what :
This scene, is the BIGGEST Deus ex machina in One Piece
But.. do you felt like this was a bad scene ?
Probably not. For two reasons :
- It is the coolest sh*t ever
- Shanks moving was very VERY slightly hinted.
So you are looking at here, is something that is technically a storytelling error when you look at the rules of storytelling without understanding them. But in reality it works, because it's logical. Shanks appearing here, makes perfect sence since he was the one who asked WB to stop Ace. He was aware of the danger of the situation and the potential consequences and he was aware that Luffy would jump to save his brother. So he rushed in and arrived just in time.
Now, you know what is funny ?
This scene was 100 times less prepared than the Tamatebako box exploding. Because the situations are similar, the Tamatebako Exploding during the Tea Party is perfectly logical, in fact it was prepared since Fishmen Island, we simply expected it to explose in Big Mom's face but in reality it's character who tried to take advantage of Big Mom's treasure who pushed the Tamatebacko out of the roof and thus pushed the explosion.
Both moments are cool, one moment is perfectly executed in the preparation, the other one is created as a Deus ex Machina.. and yet.... people a praising Oda to have Shanks arrive and they are mad because the Tamatebako exploeded in a moment where Big Mom's attention was occupied elsewhere and thus saved Luffy in both situations.
Isn't this interesting ?
Personnaly I love both moments. Because one is simply showing the detailed in the characterization of characters and the others is a play on the notion of the butterfly effect.
But people here don't see that this way. Because they think they know storytelling so the Tamatebako exploding must be a mistake. But that's not the case. It's a very well prepared coincidence.
Coincidences are problematic when they arrive without warning. When they are prepared like the Tamatebako box, it's this author trying to tell you that the entire universe is playing with the story. It's a way to show the butterfly effect. Somtimes to show why certain situation are chaotics (Jurassic park) and sometimes to show you the ironic side of the story.
In Whole cake, the strawhat were only saved ONCE because of such circoumstance during their escape. The rest is due to the capacities of characters and the alliance made by the characters:
- Perospero > Pedro
- Tsunami > Jinbe
- Pinch > Carrot
- Big Mom > Jinbe/Nami/Brook/Chopper
- Big Mom > Sanji
- Megapinch > Fishmen
- Big Mom Pirates > Germa
- Katakuri > Luffy
All of those save were HARDCORE saves. They demanded everything from protagonists involved and Pedro had to DIE.
It demanded SO MUCH on the plot that the ending of the arc was for the first time, bittersweat.
And the same happened on Egghead. Nothing in egghead came out of the blue. Everything was created on purpose and logicaly.
So..
When Van tell you this: : "The more you stack the odds against a character, the more plot is needed to get them out of that situation"
He is right
What Van doesn't tell you on the other hand is that all save in Egghead or in Whole cake were MASSIVE and were heavily supported by the plot and the capacities of the characters.
So much that the last save is literally created by the BIGGEST HAKI move in the entire story, thus showing to readers and character just how strong Joy Boy really was at the time.
This is not "a bit of plot" that was developped to help the strawhats escape. It's literally the first glimps of the most important story/flashback of the most important character in the story after Luffy, Shanks and BlackBeard.
Which means that the end of Egghead of egghead was not removed from tension. Not at all. There was tension. But the stakes were SO HUGE, that it needed something extraordinarilly important to make the strawhats escape.
Also, if you read One Piece chapter week to week, chances are that you won't feel the same tension as if you read multiple chapter in a row like the story is supposed to be read.
People here don't understand something simple. A narration goes bad when the development and the unknotting of plot are FREE and unprepared.
In One Piece, NOTHING is free. Everything comes through hardwork OR prepared anticipations. One of those two.
Yes, Luffy has luck on his side. But that's the point of the story. It's not the story of Game Of throne characters. It's the story of a man who will be the Pirate King.
People in this forum should start understanding that.
This scene, is the BIGGEST Deus ex machina in One Piece
But.. do you felt like this was a bad scene ?
Probably not. For two reasons :
- It is the coolest sh*t ever
- Shanks moving was very VERY slightly hinted.
So you are looking at here, is something that is technically a storytelling error when you look at the rules of storytelling without understanding them. But in reality it works, because it's logical. Shanks appearing here, makes perfect sence since he was the one who asked WB to stop Ace. He was aware of the danger of the situation and the potential consequences and he was aware that Luffy would jump to save his brother. So he rushed in and arrived just in time.
Now, you know what is funny ?
This scene was 100 times less prepared than the Tamatebako box exploding. Because the situations are similar, the Tamatebako Exploding during the Tea Party is perfectly logical, in fact it was prepared since Fishmen Island, we simply expected it to explose in Big Mom's face but in reality it's character who tried to take advantage of Big Mom's treasure who pushed the Tamatebacko out of the roof and thus pushed the explosion.
Both moments are cool, one moment is perfectly executed in the preparation, the other one is created as a Deus ex Machina.. and yet.... people a praising Oda to have Shanks arrive and they are mad because the Tamatebako exploeded in a moment where Big Mom's attention was occupied elsewhere and thus saved Luffy in both situations.
Isn't this interesting ?
Personnaly I love both moments. Because one is simply showing the detailed in the characterization of characters and the others is a play on the notion of the butterfly effect.
But people here don't see that this way. Because they think they know storytelling so the Tamatebako exploding must be a mistake. But that's not the case. It's a very well prepared coincidence.
Coincidences are problematic when they arrive without warning. When they are prepared like the Tamatebako box, it's this author trying to tell you that the entire universe is playing with the story. It's a way to show the butterfly effect. Somtimes to show why certain situation are chaotics (Jurassic park) and sometimes to show you the ironic side of the story.
In Whole cake, the strawhat were only saved ONCE because of such circoumstance during their escape. The rest is due to the capacities of characters and the alliance made by the characters:
- Perospero > Pedro
- Tsunami > Jinbe
- Pinch > Carrot
- Big Mom > Jinbe/Nami/Brook/Chopper
- Big Mom > Sanji
- Megapinch > Fishmen
- Big Mom Pirates > Germa
- Katakuri > Luffy
All of those save were HARDCORE saves. They demanded everything from protagonists involved and Pedro had to DIE.
It demanded SO MUCH on the plot that the ending of the arc was for the first time, bittersweat.
And the same happened on Egghead. Nothing in egghead came out of the blue. Everything was created on purpose and logicaly.
So..
When Van tell you this: : "The more you stack the odds against a character, the more plot is needed to get them out of that situation"
He is right
What Van doesn't tell you on the other hand is that all save in Egghead or in Whole cake were MASSIVE and were heavily supported by the plot and the capacities of the characters.
So much that the last save is literally created by the BIGGEST HAKI move in the entire story, thus showing to readers and character just how strong Joy Boy really was at the time.
This is not "a bit of plot" that was developped to help the strawhats escape. It's literally the first glimps of the most important story/flashback of the most important character in the story after Luffy, Shanks and BlackBeard.
Which means that the end of Egghead of egghead was not removed from tension. Not at all. There was tension. But the stakes were SO HUGE, that it needed something extraordinarilly important to make the strawhats escape.
Also, if you read One Piece chapter week to week, chances are that you won't feel the same tension as if you read multiple chapter in a row like the story is supposed to be read.
People here don't understand something simple. A narration goes bad when the development and the unknotting of plot are FREE and unprepared.
In One Piece, NOTHING is free. Everything comes through hardwork OR prepared anticipations. One of those two.
Yes, Luffy has luck on his side. But that's the point of the story. It's not the story of Game Of throne characters. It's the story of a man who will be the Pirate King.
People in this forum should start understanding that.
The least Oda could've done was have Vegapunk explain how he makes objects consume zoan fruits, but we didn't even get that. And 2 years of Franky studying Vegapunk's outdated research in his homeland and becoming his fanboy and it all amounts to nothing?
Exactly. Even from the start this shit made no sense. Vegapunk's big plan at the start was to have him and his satellites run away from Egghead with the Straw Hats, but that wouldn't accomplish anything since his giant ass brain can't be moved. That would mean that Saturn (he's a scientist) or York could easily learn everything Vegapunk has ever made or planned to make by accessing his brain's memories and that would also leave the mother flame behind for them to do whatever they want with it. Or even hold him hostage by threatening to destroy his brain.
"the end of Egghead"
Only at the end?
The beginning and middle were like the end, all bad.
Listen, there was so much hype and shit for Vegapunk that in my head I had this man as a TOP TIER.
Only at the end?
The beginning and middle were like the end, all bad.
Listen, there was so much hype and shit for Vegapunk that in my head I had this man as a TOP TIER.
I think I'm in the best position thank you.
If you are implying that I do not know what I'm talking about. I watched a lot of Football (soccer) when I was young. Even played. I know what good players are and I know what mistakes are.
In high level, there are some player better than others, but they are here to create occasion, what really make the difference is the team work and how such teamwork can push the other team to make mistakes.
Don't underestimate the strawhats power. You are talking about the Yonko commanders here.
To create a satisfactory explanation for that in the context of One Piece you need to create a NARRATIVE PUNISHMENT. And a big comical flaw for Imu (for example, their incapacity to understand basic numbers or coordinate) OR a big character flaw that will push someone else to create the context to push Imu to make a mistake. Of course in this situation it would make it very ironical (which is not really the tone of One Piece), but it would be logical.
For this to work, you need to install said flaw VERY early. PLUS you need to put this situation at the VERY END of the arc at a moment where the conflict is already resolved for the protagonist and the action of Imu acts as a narrative moral punishment.
This is for example what happened to Ceasar and Money (without him knowing) when he stabbed himself the hearth of Money, thus stopping her from creating a massive explosion.
It's a popular trope in hollywood movies. This trope relies on the weakness of the antagonist. The antagonist was put so down by protagonists and the hero so much, that their last resort is a desesperate attempt on an artefact, a bomb, or even when he needs to rally his own allies. But because of the weakness of the antagonist or his own actions or an ironic situation, the situation will be returned against the antagonist and destroy them in a comical or ironic way.
Here are two example of that.
[Spoiler warning : Fifth Element] : In this example, Zorg because he discovered that he was tricked and didn't have the Stones, chooses to arm himself and go back to the ship. When he arrives, to stop the bomb he previously planted to make everything blow up after his departure, he is narratively punished for his bad treatment against the Mangalores. His weakness and his refusal to let go is therefore his downfall:
[Spoiler warning : The Lion King] : In this example, Scar his put down by Simba and ends up in a place full of Hyena. In a last desesperate attempt, he tries to rally them, but because of his bad behavior against them, Scar gets eaten and is narratively punished for his actions.
So for your scenario to happen and be satisfactory, it would need to happen in that context. Without that, this would not make sence. Not because it's a mistake, but because it makes no sence to erease the conflict before it's finished. Mistakes usually have small and direct consequences in One Piece not big ones.
Cinema.
23 years.
I've started really studying it around 2010.
If you are implying that I do not know what I'm talking about. I watched a lot of Football (soccer) when I was young. Even played. I know what good players are and I know what mistakes are.
In high level, there are some player better than others, but they are here to create occasion, what really make the difference is the team work and how such teamwork can push the other team to make mistakes.
Don't underestimate the strawhats power. You are talking about the Yonko commanders here.
To create a satisfactory explanation for that in the context of One Piece you need to create a NARRATIVE PUNISHMENT. And a big comical flaw for Imu (for example, their incapacity to understand basic numbers or coordinate) OR a big character flaw that will push someone else to create the context to push Imu to make a mistake. Of course in this situation it would make it very ironical (which is not really the tone of One Piece), but it would be logical.
For this to work, you need to install said flaw VERY early. PLUS you need to put this situation at the VERY END of the arc at a moment where the conflict is already resolved for the protagonist and the action of Imu acts as a narrative moral punishment.
This is for example what happened to Ceasar and Money (without him knowing) when he stabbed himself the hearth of Money, thus stopping her from creating a massive explosion.
It's a popular trope in hollywood movies. This trope relies on the weakness of the antagonist. The antagonist was put so down by protagonists and the hero so much, that their last resort is a desesperate attempt on an artefact, a bomb, or even when he needs to rally his own allies. But because of the weakness of the antagonist or his own actions or an ironic situation, the situation will be returned against the antagonist and destroy them in a comical or ironic way.
Here are two example of that.
[Spoiler warning : Fifth Element] : In this example, Zorg because he discovered that he was tricked and didn't have the Stones, chooses to arm himself and go back to the ship. When he arrives, to stop the bomb he previously planted to make everything blow up after his departure, he is narratively punished for his bad treatment against the Mangalores. His weakness and his refusal to let go is therefore his downfall:
[Spoiler warning : The Lion King] : In this example, Scar his put down by Simba and ends up in a place full of Hyena. In a last desesperate attempt, he tries to rally them, but because of his bad behavior against them, Scar gets eaten and is narratively punished for his actions.
So for your scenario to happen and be satisfactory, it would need to happen in that context. Without that, this would not make sence. Not because it's a mistake, but because it makes no sence to erease the conflict before it's finished. Mistakes usually have small and direct consequences in One Piece not big ones.
Cinema.
23 years.
I've started really studying it around 2010.
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People are often not educated on storytelling. So they see a rules and consider that it must applies in every situations with no nuances and no counter rules. Let me give you an example, you must know the sentence "don't use deus ex machina in stories", well guess what :
This scene, is the BIGGEST Deus ex machina in One Piece
But.. do you felt like this was a bad scene ?
Probably not. For two reasons :
- It is the coolest sh*t ever
- Shanks moving was very VERY slightly hinted.
So you are looking at here, is something that is technically a storytelling error when you look at the rules of storytelling without understanding them. But in reality it works, because it's logical. Shanks appearing here, makes perfect sence since he was the one who asked WB to stop Ace. He was aware of the danger of the situation and the potential consequences and he was aware that Luffy would jump to save his brother. So he rushed in and arrived just in time.
Now, you know what is funny ?
This scene was 100 times less prepared than the Tamatebako box exploding. Because the situations are similar, the Tamatebako Exploding during the Tea Party is perfectly logical, in fact it was prepared since Fishmen Island, we simply expected it to explose in Big Mom's face but in reality it's character who tried to take advantage of Big Mom's treasure who pushed the Tamatebacko out of the roof and thus pushed the explosion.
Both moments are cool, one moment is perfectly executed in the preparation, the other one is created as a Deus ex Machina.. and yet.... people a praising Oda to have Shanks arrive and they are mad because the Tamatebako exploeded in a moment where Big Mom's attention was occupied elsewhere and thus saved Luffy in both situations.
Isn't this interesting ?
Personnaly I love both moments. Because one is simply showing the detailed in the characterization of characters and the others is a play on the notion of the butterfly effect.
But people here don't see that this way. Because they think they know storytelling so the Tamatebako exploding must be a mistake. But that's not the case. It's a very well prepared coincidence.
Coincidences are problematic when they arrive without warning. When they are prepared like the Tamatebako box, it's this author trying to tell you that the entire universe is playing with the story. It's a way to show the butterfly effect. Somtimes to show why certain situation are chaotics (Jurassic park) and sometimes to show you the ironic side of the story.
In Whole cake, the strawhat were only saved ONCE because of such circoumstance during their escape. The rest is due to the capacities of characters and the alliance made by the characters:
- Perospero > Pedro
- Tsunami > Jinbe
- Pinch > Carrot
- Big Mom > Jinbe/Nami/Brook/Chopper
- Big Mom > Sanji
- Megapinch > Fishmen
- Big Mom Pirates > Germa
- Katakuri > Luffy
All of those save were HARDCORE saves. They demanded everything from protagonists involved and Pedro had to DIE.
It demanded SO MUCH on the plot that the ending of the arc was for the first time, bittersweat.
And the same happened on Egghead. Nothing in egghead came out of the blue. Everything was created on purpose and logicaly.
So..
When Van tell you this: : "The more you stack the odds against a character, the more plot is needed to get them out of that situation"
He is right
What Van doesn't tell you on the other hand is that all save in Egghead or in Whole cake were MASSIVE and were heavily supported by the plot and the capacities of the characters.
So much that the last save is literally created by the BIGGEST HAKI move in the entire story, thus showing to readers and character just how strong Joy Boy really was at the time.
This is not "a bit of plot" that was developped to help the strawhats escape. It's literally the first glimps of the most important story/flashback of the most important character in the story after Luffy, Shanks and BlackBeard.
Which means that the end of Egghead of egghead was not removed from tension. Not at all. There was tension. But the stakes were SO HUGE, that it needed something extraordinarilly important to make the strawhats escape.
Also, if you read One Piece chapter week to week, chances are that you won't feel the same tension as if you read multiple chapter in a row like the story is supposed to be read.
People here don't understand something simple. A narration goes bad when the development and the unknotting of plot are FREE and unprepared.
In One Piece, NOTHING is free. Everything comes through hardwork OR prepared anticipations. One of those two.
Yes, Luffy has luck on his side. But that's the point of the story. It's not the story of Game Of throne characters. It's the story of a man who will be the Pirate King.
People in this forum should start understanding that.
This scene, is the BIGGEST Deus ex machina in One Piece
But.. do you felt like this was a bad scene ?
Probably not. For two reasons :
- It is the coolest sh*t ever
- Shanks moving was very VERY slightly hinted.
So you are looking at here, is something that is technically a storytelling error when you look at the rules of storytelling without understanding them. But in reality it works, because it's logical. Shanks appearing here, makes perfect sence since he was the one who asked WB to stop Ace. He was aware of the danger of the situation and the potential consequences and he was aware that Luffy would jump to save his brother. So he rushed in and arrived just in time.
Now, you know what is funny ?
This scene was 100 times less prepared than the Tamatebako box exploding. Because the situations are similar, the Tamatebako Exploding during the Tea Party is perfectly logical, in fact it was prepared since Fishmen Island, we simply expected it to explose in Big Mom's face but in reality it's character who tried to take advantage of Big Mom's treasure who pushed the Tamatebacko out of the roof and thus pushed the explosion.
Both moments are cool, one moment is perfectly executed in the preparation, the other one is created as a Deus ex Machina.. and yet.... people a praising Oda to have Shanks arrive and they are mad because the Tamatebako exploeded in a moment where Big Mom's attention was occupied elsewhere and thus saved Luffy in both situations.
Isn't this interesting ?
Personnaly I love both moments. Because one is simply showing the detailed in the characterization of characters and the others is a play on the notion of the butterfly effect.
But people here don't see that this way. Because they think they know storytelling so the Tamatebako exploding must be a mistake. But that's not the case. It's a very well prepared coincidence.
Coincidences are problematic when they arrive without warning. When they are prepared like the Tamatebako box, it's this author trying to tell you that the entire universe is playing with the story. It's a way to show the butterfly effect. Somtimes to show why certain situation are chaotics (Jurassic park) and sometimes to show you the ironic side of the story.
In Whole cake, the strawhat were only saved ONCE because of such circoumstance during their escape. The rest is due to the capacities of characters and the alliance made by the characters:
- Perospero > Pedro
- Tsunami > Jinbe
- Pinch > Carrot
- Big Mom > Jinbe/Nami/Brook/Chopper
- Big Mom > Sanji
- Megapinch > Fishmen
- Big Mom Pirates > Germa
- Katakuri > Luffy
All of those save were HARDCORE saves. They demanded everything from protagonists involved and Pedro had to DIE.
It demanded SO MUCH on the plot that the ending of the arc was for the first time, bittersweat.
And the same happened on Egghead. Nothing in egghead came out of the blue. Everything was created on purpose and logicaly.
So..
When Van tell you this: : "The more you stack the odds against a character, the more plot is needed to get them out of that situation"
He is right
What Van doesn't tell you on the other hand is that all save in Egghead or in Whole cake were MASSIVE and were heavily supported by the plot and the capacities of the characters.
So much that the last save is literally created by the BIGGEST HAKI move in the entire story, thus showing to readers and character just how strong Joy Boy really was at the time.
This is not "a bit of plot" that was developped to help the strawhats escape. It's literally the first glimps of the most important story/flashback of the most important character in the story after Luffy, Shanks and BlackBeard.
Which means that the end of Egghead of egghead was not removed from tension. Not at all. There was tension. But the stakes were SO HUGE, that it needed something extraordinarilly important to make the strawhats escape.
Also, if you read One Piece chapter week to week, chances are that you won't feel the same tension as if you read multiple chapter in a row like the story is supposed to be read.
People here don't understand something simple. A narration goes bad when the development and the unknotting of plot are FREE and unprepared.
In One Piece, NOTHING is free. Everything comes through hardwork OR prepared anticipations. One of those two.
Yes, Luffy has luck on his side. But that's the point of the story. It's not the story of Game Of throne characters. It's the story of a man who will be the Pirate King.
People in this forum should start understanding that.
I am not reading that
Well, we actually got the equivalent of that with Kaido:
First he wipes the floor 1 vs 9 against the scabbards and Izou in a matter of moments and then he gets stalled for God knows how long in a 1 vs 1 against Yamato, not even dealing her any kind of significant injury.
Oda just doesn't give a shit about consistency in powers or fights.
Saturn completely forgetting how to use his totally broken "immobilize and head explosion" technique is simply another example.
At this point you're just trolling, but please go on, you're generating a ton of clicks for my thread.
First he wipes the floor 1 vs 9 against the scabbards and Izou in a matter of moments and then he gets stalled for God knows how long in a 1 vs 1 against Yamato, not even dealing her any kind of significant injury.
Oda just doesn't give a shit about consistency in powers or fights.
Saturn completely forgetting how to use his totally broken "immobilize and head explosion" technique is simply another example.
At this point you're just trolling, but please go on, you're generating a ton of clicks for my thread.
What an amusing persecution complex.
Portraying Carrot-stans as a bunch of innocent "we didn't do nuffin!" types is objectively hilarious considering they were by far the most belligerent nakama faction even as far back as the Oro Jackson days and would have easily been ranked as amongst the Top 5 most aggressive individual character fanbases not so long ago.
The amount of vitriol they spewed against Jinbe back on OJ was truly something to behold. They were practically praying for the Fishman to succumb to his supposed "death flags" so that Carrot could replace him. They were arguing against him even after Jinbe flat out joined. Dizzy's tirades against the helmsman were legendary.
The reason Carrot gets mocked as the "Never Nakama" meme was precisely because of her aggressively pugnacious fanbase. Characters that had now long forgotten Nakama Groups like Pedro, Bellamy, Bartolomeo, Law and even longshot or flat out crackpot character options like Caesar Clown don't get memed on anywhere near as much (if at all) as Carrot does because their fan bases weren't so infamously bellicose as the #Carrot4Nakama brigade was.
Whereas for most other fan bases, stanning a character as #NextNakama was an entertaining side hustle, Carrot stans made it their entire personality for the longest time. Yamato stans are the only recent nakama fan group that got anywhere near as bad but Yamato's presence in the Nakama Wars is a blip compared to the years long campaign of the Carrot Crusade.
Carrot was basically the Zoro Kills Kaido option to stan in the long running Nakama Wars and when it became obvious she wasn't going to join and she didn't even get a decent showing in a fight like Yamato did then her fan base got rightly mocked for a period of time after all the incessant, confrontational, argumentative shenanigans everybody else had to deal with from them for years on end.
Carrot stans didn't need protecting, they needed leashing.
They acted like clowns, they got treated like clowns. 🤡
Dear lord, you even sound like an OJ mod. I'm getting flashbacks to the OJ end times just from reading this. 
The old fogies here have been there, seen that and got burned by it. Try Arlong Park forum if you want a forum experience with less metaphorical roughhousing without it being a discussion wasteland like Thriller Bark is. Try Thriller Bark if you never want to debate again. Try Reddit if you never want to see a negative opinion again. Stay here and stop whining if you like metaphorically butting heads. Simple as.
Portraying Carrot-stans as a bunch of innocent "we didn't do nuffin!" types is objectively hilarious considering they were by far the most belligerent nakama faction even as far back as the Oro Jackson days and would have easily been ranked as amongst the Top 5 most aggressive individual character fanbases not so long ago.
The amount of vitriol they spewed against Jinbe back on OJ was truly something to behold. They were practically praying for the Fishman to succumb to his supposed "death flags" so that Carrot could replace him. They were arguing against him even after Jinbe flat out joined. Dizzy's tirades against the helmsman were legendary.
The reason Carrot gets mocked as the "Never Nakama" meme was precisely because of her aggressively pugnacious fanbase. Characters that had now long forgotten Nakama Groups like Pedro, Bellamy, Bartolomeo, Law and even longshot or flat out crackpot character options like Caesar Clown don't get memed on anywhere near as much (if at all) as Carrot does because their fan bases weren't so infamously bellicose as the #Carrot4Nakama brigade was.
Whereas for most other fan bases, stanning a character as #NextNakama was an entertaining side hustle, Carrot stans made it their entire personality for the longest time. Yamato stans are the only recent nakama fan group that got anywhere near as bad but Yamato's presence in the Nakama Wars is a blip compared to the years long campaign of the Carrot Crusade.
Carrot was basically the Zoro Kills Kaido option to stan in the long running Nakama Wars and when it became obvious she wasn't going to join and she didn't even get a decent showing in a fight like Yamato did then her fan base got rightly mocked for a period of time after all the incessant, confrontational, argumentative shenanigans everybody else had to deal with from them for years on end.
Carrot stans didn't need protecting, they needed leashing.
They acted like clowns, they got treated like clowns. 🤡
Yes, But I'm not advocating for negativity to be stopped by forced. But for positivity to be promoted.
Not the same thing ;)
That's because you think that massive negativity on forum scale is equatable to a simple "opinion" that people don't like.
In reality, you don't see the obvious in front of you, that's all.
No. They experience a bad system. Completely different thing.
Oh, so you noticed then.
Indeed, that's one of my proposition. To allow people to trashtalk like crazy, but in a specific section for said negativity to be contained and controlled and prevent it to spread everywhere.
Only you think that it leads toward people being banned. There is no reason to ban people for simply trashing the story. But if you allow it in the main sections, you will create an echo chamber of toxicity.
The staff do not sanction easily so you can relax mate.
Not the same thing ;)
That's because you think that massive negativity on forum scale is equatable to a simple "opinion" that people don't like.
In reality, you don't see the obvious in front of you, that's all.
No. They experience a bad system. Completely different thing.
Oh, so you noticed then.
Indeed, that's one of my proposition. To allow people to trashtalk like crazy, but in a specific section for said negativity to be contained and controlled and prevent it to spread everywhere.
Only you think that it leads toward people being banned. There is no reason to ban people for simply trashing the story. But if you allow it in the main sections, you will create an echo chamber of toxicity.
The staff do not sanction easily so you can relax mate.
The old fogies here have been there, seen that and got burned by it. Try Arlong Park forum if you want a forum experience with less metaphorical roughhousing without it being a discussion wasteland like Thriller Bark is. Try Thriller Bark if you never want to debate again. Try Reddit if you never want to see a negative opinion again. Stay here and stop whining if you like metaphorically butting heads. Simple as.
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