That's a roundabout way to say "yes".
Nop


You have literally stated that the reason you came onto this forum was because you heard from others that Carrot was disliked here and you came with the express purpose to change that. You were triggered by the mere existence of this forum before anyone here was even aware of your existence. :suresure:
It was not an act of "trigger", it's an act of protection.

I wanted to find a way to protect Carrot fans from this fanbase.


It precisely is because you keep going on about how people need to stop their "negativity" which in reality is just opinions you don't like.

You can disguise it all you want but that is functionally what you are whining about.
Yes, But I'm not advocating for negativity to be stopped by forced. But for positivity to be promoted.

Not the same thing ;)

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Nobody else sees it because nobody else here equates "opinion I don't like is a negativity echo chamber!"
That's because you think that massive negativity on forum scale is equatable to a simple "opinion" that people don't like.

In reality, you don't see the obvious in front of you, that's all.


The old guard here have experienced actual echo chambers and are in no mood to experience another one just because a Never Nakama Peddler four forums away heard someone talk smack about the Lagomorph and couldn't stand the mere thought of it.
No. They experience a bad system. Completely different thing.


You have already talked about wanting to put the "negativity trash talking" ("opinions I don't like") into a hidden corner.

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...bles-is-problematic.59262/page-4#post-5571188

First it is a hidden corner and then it is a ban. Just like OJ.
Oh, so you noticed then.

Indeed, that's one of my proposition. To allow people to trashtalk like crazy, but in a specific section for said negativity to be contained and controlled and prevent it to spread everywhere.

Only you think that it leads toward people being banned. There is no reason to ban people for simply trashing the story. But if you allow it in the main sections, you will create an echo chamber of toxicity.

The staff do not sanction easily so you can relax mate.


Why aren't all the Oda lovers backing up logiko don't let him get ganged up on
Because they left this forum mate or know that they will get laughed at for loving the stories so much in most cases. Plus, I'm considered a radical figure, it wouldn't be a smart move to align with my point of view.


They know that's the way he likes it.
It's true

:goyea:
 
There are several problems with that though:

1) This plan completely fails anyway if the WG simply decide to capture him and imprison him in Impel Down, while looting all the important stuff from Egghead and doing business with York.

2) Having said this, Vegapunk was absolutely sure they will kill him - so why on earth actually sit it out with an insanely risky plan in case the 0.01% chance of the WG not arriving happens? If they indeed don't come all he just did was erasing their knowledge about York's shady business with the WG and she can continue doing so. Heck, even now the WG aquired the Mother Flame and someone to use and reproduce it (York) due to Vegapunk's "plan". It's just a stupid process from start to finish.

There is zero advantage compared to simply eliminating York on the spot, making sure Mother Flame can't be used anymore, sending out the message immediately and then dipping and hoping for the best.
You're missing a key factor here. Vegapunk dying by the WGs hands is what makes it believable.

People are going to question it, but when they find out Vegapunk was killed over the information, then it makes it real.

If he was to deliver that message and then dip, the WG can just paint him a man who lost his mind, and call the whole thing false.

They can't cover up the truth, when a person died to deliver the message. They can try, but that one is a hard sell when Vegapunk tells everyone, he's going to be killed for this, and that's exactly what happens.
 
Everything was hypothetical. It was all set up for an "in case shit happens" scenario.

They kept getting investigated, but nothing came about it.

Eliminating York would have done nothing but prove her accusations to the World Government.

So until they were caught dead to rights, they weren't pulling the trigger on anything.
Everything is always hypothetical, so that excuse doesn’t work.

They were already caught dead to rights when they heard York report to the WG that they were researching the forbidden info.
That’s why the WG sent CP0 to eliminate them anyway.

There’s absolutely no excuse to not eliminate York. Shaka & Pythagoras died because of that. They were delayed from escaping because of her, and the broadcast was also interrupted.

The broadcast could have been done before any WG forces had any hope of stopping it and the Vegapunk’s could have also escaped without endangering so many other people’s lives.

Only Bonney & the Strawhats’ arrival salvaged things. Bonney could have been killed by Pacifista without ever knowing that she had ultimate command of them because of Vegapunk’s idiotic plan.
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You're missing a key factor here. Vegapunk dying by the WGs hands is what makes it believable.

People are going to question it, but when they find out Vegapunk was killed over the information, then it makes it real.

If he was to deliver that message and then dip, the WG can just paint him a man who lost his mind, and call the whole thing false.

They can't cover up the truth, when a person died to deliver the message. They can try, but that one is a hard sell when Vegapunk tells everyone, he's going to be killed for this, and that's exactly what happens.
Except Vegapunk didn’t even implicate the WG in his death with the broadcast, so that excuse doesn’t work. Even now some already assume that it was the pirates who killed him instead.

If Vegapunk remains alive then he can fight any attempts at misinformation by himself.
Lulusia being destroyed and the worldwide sea quakes already make it a real as it needs to be.

Vegapunk could point to the arrest warrants sent out for him, or even have the CP0 agent Stussy attest to the assassination attempt.
He could do so much more to combat the WG alive…and even if he wanted to die he could do so by himself and let all the other Satellites escape and everyone else he roped into the mess like Sentomaru and the residents of Egghead.

There’s no salvaging this mess. It’s plain stupid from every single angle.
 
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and now you want to come here and also push them out from this place too?
I got banned on r/onepiece by Kairosh (?) back in 2015-2016 just for making a thread on why Kaido is the strongest creature, where is the proof, why Oda gave him this title?

Basically, I was saying Oda is all talk and no action. Later, I joined WG. The users here were reasonable, some disagreed with the things I highlighted and some said yes, you are right. I would say WG is balanced when it comes to OP discussions.
As bad as current One Piece is, it is still better than many other mainstream mangas. But it has its own problems that cannot be ignored.
 
I got banned on r/onepiece by Kairosh (?) back in 2015-2016 just for making a thread on why Kaido is the strongest creature, where is the proof, why Oda gave him this title?

Basically, I was saying Oda is all talk and no action. Later, I joined WG. The users here were reasonable, some disagreed with the things I highlighted and some said yes, you are right. I would say WG is balanced when it comes to OP discussions.
As bad as current One Piece is, it is still better than many other mainstream mangas. But it has its own problems that cannot be ignored.
We have extreme Zoro and Sanji fanboys fighting each other here on the daily

same thing for Yonkou vs Admirals

and pretty much any group you want

you have theorists

you have powerscalers

you have everything here

and in the end, you have people that enjoy the story completely, somewhat and those that absolutely hate it right now

i think it's a lot more fair than on other places
 
Everything is always hypothetical, so that excuse doesn’t work.

They were already caught dead to rights when they heard York report to the WG that they were researching the forbidden info.
That’s why the WG sent CP0 to eliminate them anyway.

There’s absolutely no excuse to not eliminate York. Shaka & Pythagoras died because of that. They were delayed from escaping because of her, and the broadcast was also interrupted.

The broadcast could have been done before any WG forces had any hope of stopping it and the Vegapunk’s could have also escaped without endangering so many other people’s lives.

Only Bonney & the Strawhats’ arrival salvaged things. Bonney could have been killed by Pacifista without ever knowing that she had ultimate command of them because of Vegapunk’s idiotic plan.
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Except Vegapunk didn’t even implicate the WG in his death with the broadcast, so that excuse doesn’t work. Even now some already assume that it was the pirates who killed him instead.

If Vegapunk remains alive then he can fight any attempts at misinformation by himself.
Lulusia being destroyed and the worldwide sea quakes already make it a real as it needs to be.

Vegapunk could point to the arrest warrants sent out for him, or even have the CP0 agent Stussy attest to the assassination attempt.
He could do so much more to combat the WG alive…and even if he wanted to die he could do so by himself and let all the other Satellites escape and everyone else he roped into the mess like Sentomaru and the residents of Egghead.

There’s no salvaging this mess. It’s plain stupid from every single angle.
There is a million different scenarios, and a million different reasons as to why or why not they could or could not work. Pick your poison. I really don't care to go back and forth on it.
 
There is a million different scenarios, and a million different reasons as to why or why not they could or could not work. Pick your poison. I really don't care to go back and forth on it.
Translation: it’s dumb as hell and Vegapunk still chose one of the stupidest options possible.

Again, there are several options that don’t endanger anyone else, prevents the WG from having fuel for their weapon, preserves all the satellites (minus York), and even keep Vegapunk alive to atone.

There is not a SINGLE thing that’s made better by leaving York free to go about killing others.
 
Translation: it’s dumb as hell and Vegapunk still chose one of the stupidest options possible.

Again, there are several options that don’t endanger anyone else, prevents the WG from having fuel for their weapon, preserves all the satellites (minus York), and even keep Vegapunk alive to atone.

There is not a SINGLE thing that’s made better by leaving York free to go about killing others.
No, I honestly don't care to go back and forth. You've debated with me enough to know I'm not changing my stance, and I can debate for pages, so there is no "translation.". I just legitimately do not give a shit to convince anyone of anything on this matter. I've posted my view on the situation, and I will leave it there.
 

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Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
. I just legitimately do not give a shit to convince anyone of anything on this matter. I've posted my view on the situation, and I will leave it there.
^^ See that's how it works @Logiko


We post our own opinions. Few will agree and many disagrees. We argue and we debate. We try to lay down what we feel.

Sometimes we even throw some insults if arguments gets heated and troll.

But at the end of the day, no one cares to change anyone's opinion.

Nor people are debating to have their opinion changed.

Everyone here has their own perspectives.

We are in it for ourselves and that's what we care about.
 
Everyone here has their own perspectives.
Their "own" perspective is ONE big pespective with variations mate.
It's a hatefull one.


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But sure, you might find some glimps of positivity here and there, but everything will turn to sh*t on this forum when it comes to discussing manga or any deep subjects.

If no one cares to change anyone else's opinion is because they are already in the loop or they forfeit the option to have an impact. There is a reason why I'm trying to bring more positivity here, and I'm being told EVEN by those who are the most positive, that it is a lost cause.

So if you care about this fantasy, go for it. But I see it as it is : an echo chamber of negativity.
 
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