Current Events Oda completely lost the plot at the end of Egghead
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"The more you stack the odds against a character, the more plot is needed to get them out of that situation." You have Kizaru, 5 Gorosei, Lucci, Kaku and the Seraphim. Like with the BMP, the SHs were incredibly outmatched so lots of PIS and last minute saves tossed in. Also like the the BMP, it destroys any tension due to the utter lack of real consequences.
For the arc as a whole, it's Oda's usual routine of having a promising start but never keeping the momentum as he stacks the odds to the moon, off screen scuffles, and focuses on characters running around. This arc should've been about/good for Franky, but he was irrelevant which is kinda baffling. Oda hyped up Vegapunk as the man who will reveal how DFs work, but instead we got a very vague explanation made to generate more questions. Vegapunk revealed some Void Century stuff, but lots of it was things we already knew while the rest, as usual, created more questions.
We are too far into the game for this much conservatism and build up every postskip arc. Wano did the bare minimum as well.
For the arc as a whole, it's Oda's usual routine of having a promising start but never keeping the momentum as he stacks the odds to the moon, off screen scuffles, and focuses on characters running around. This arc should've been about/good for Franky, but he was irrelevant which is kinda baffling. Oda hyped up Vegapunk as the man who will reveal how DFs work, but instead we got a very vague explanation made to generate more questions. Vegapunk revealed some Void Century stuff, but lots of it was things we already knew while the rest, as usual, created more questions.
We are too far into the game for this much conservatism and build up every postskip arc. Wano did the bare minimum as well.
Perfectly summarized.
The Vegapunk part is especially baffling.
First Oda himself hyped him up as THE guy with all the answers. Someone who will explain what devil fruits are for example(Oda's own words).
What did we get: A very vague monologue about devil fruits and dreams without any further explanation.
Then Oda teasered a monumental Vegapunk speech via his manga characters.
What did we get: A rather vague speech where Vegapunk himself only hinted at past events, told the world that he himself doesn't know who was right and who was wrong in that teasered ancient conflict and then the sinking world bombshell (the only real precise information).
In the end we leave Egghead with almost as much (if not more) questions than before, despite it being such a long teasered "lore reveal arc".
This can't happen that late in the game imho.
The Vegapunk part is especially baffling.
First Oda himself hyped him up as THE guy with all the answers. Someone who will explain what devil fruits are for example(Oda's own words).
What did we get: A very vague monologue about devil fruits and dreams without any further explanation.
Then Oda teasered a monumental Vegapunk speech via his manga characters.
What did we get: A rather vague speech where Vegapunk himself only hinted at past events, told the world that he himself doesn't know who was right and who was wrong in that teasered ancient conflict and then the sinking world bombshell (the only real precise information).
In the end we leave Egghead with almost as much (if not more) questions than before, despite it being such a long teasered "lore reveal arc".
This can't happen that late in the game imho.
This made me remember that panel where Vegapunk looks straight at the reader and says, "ISN'T THIS WORLD INTERESTING??"
It was as if Oda was begging us to not realize he just practically revealed nothing at all.
All we got was, "devil fruits come from people desiring stuff, and the sea hates you because... uh, it doesn't like unnatural things." Yeah thanks, that totally answers it.
We didn't even get to know how objects consume devil fruits.
It was as if Oda was begging us to not realize he just practically revealed nothing at all.
All we got was, "devil fruits come from people desiring stuff, and the sea hates you because... uh, it doesn't like unnatural things." Yeah thanks, that totally answers it.
We didn't even get to know how objects consume devil fruits.
@Logiko do you have any counter for this or you gave up? 
People are often not educated on storytelling. So they see a rules and consider that it must applies in every situations with no nuances and no counter rules. Let me give you an example, you must know the sentence "don't use deus ex machina in stories", well guess what :
This scene, is the BIGGEST Deus ex machina in One Piece
But.. do you felt like this was a bad scene ?
Probably not. For two reasons :
- It is the coolest sh*t ever
- Shanks moving was very VERY slightly hinted.
So you are looking at here, is something that is technically a storytelling error when you look at the rules of storytelling without understanding them. But in reality it works, because it's logical. Shanks appearing here, makes perfect sence since he was the one who asked WB to stop Ace. He was aware of the danger of the situation and the potential consequences and he was aware that Luffy would jump to save his brother. So he rushed in and arrived just in time.
Now, you know what is funny ?
This scene was 100 times less prepared than the Tamatebako box exploding. Because the situations are similar, the Tamatebako Exploding during the Tea Party is perfectly logical, in fact it was prepared since Fishmen Island, we simply expected it to explose in Big Mom's face but in reality it's character who tried to take advantage of Big Mom's treasure who pushed the Tamatebacko out of the roof and thus pushed the explosion.
Both moments are cool, one moment is perfectly executed in the preparation, the other one is created as a Deus ex Machina.. and yet.... people a praising Oda to have Shanks arrive and they are mad because the Tamatebako exploeded in a moment where Big Mom's attention was occupied elsewhere and thus saved Luffy in both situations.
Isn't this interesting ?
Personnaly I love both moments. Because one is simply showing the detailed in the characterization of characters and the others is a play on the notion of the butterfly effect.
But people here don't see that this way. Because they think they know storytelling so the Tamatebako exploding must be a mistake. But that's not the case. It's a very well prepared coincidence.
Coincidences are problematic when they arrive without warning. When they are prepared like the Tamatebako box, it's this author trying to tell you that the entire universe is playing with the story. It's a way to show the butterfly effect. Somtimes to show why certain situation are chaotics (Jurassic park) and sometimes to show you the ironic side of the story.
In Whole cake, the strawhat were only saved ONCE because of such circoumstance during their escape. The rest is due to the capacities of characters and the alliance made by the characters:
- Perospero > Pedro
- Tsunami > Jinbe
- Pinch > Carrot
- Big Mom > Jinbe/Nami/Brook/Chopper
- Big Mom > Sanji
- Megapinch > Fishmen
- Big Mom Pirates > Germa
- Katakuri > Luffy
All of those save were HARDCORE saves. They demanded everything from protagonists involved and Pedro had to DIE.
It demanded SO MUCH on the plot that the ending of the arc was for the first time, bittersweat.
And the same happened on Egghead. Nothing in egghead came out of the blue. Everything was created on purpose and logicaly.
So..
When Van tell you this: : "The more you stack the odds against a character, the more plot is needed to get them out of that situation"
He is right
What Van doesn't tell you on the other hand is that all save in Egghead or in Whole cake were MASSIVE and were heavily supported by the plot and the capacities of the characters.
So much that the last save is literally created by the BIGGEST HAKI move in the entire story, thus showing to readers and character just how strong Joy Boy really was at the time.
This is not "a bit of plot" that was developped to help the strawhats escape. It's literally the first glimps of the most important story/flashback of the most important character in the story after Luffy, Shanks and BlackBeard.
Which means that the end of Egghead of egghead was not removed from tension. Not at all. There was tension. But the stakes were SO HUGE, that it needed something extraordinarilly important to make the strawhats escape.
Also, if you read One Piece chapter week to week, chances are that you won't feel the same tension as if you read multiple chapter in a row like the story is supposed to be read.
People here don't understand something simple. A narration goes bad when the development and the unknotting of plot are FREE and unprepared.
In One Piece, NOTHING is free. Everything comes through hardwork OR prepared anticipations. One of those two.
Yes, Luffy has luck on his side. But that's the point of the story. It's not the story of Game Of throne characters. It's the story of a man who will be the Pirate King.
People in this forum should start understanding that.
Saturn was trying to get Robin but couldn't get pass Brooke, Nami, and Usopp. Even lost a leg. Earlier Saturn easily took down Sanji and had him unable to move with an unexplained power.
Seeing how those SHs don't know about Saturn's powers either, why didn't he eye or restrain hax them instead of struggling for no reason?
That's called PIS and fake tension.
Seeing how those SHs don't know about Saturn's powers either, why didn't he eye or restrain hax them instead of struggling for no reason?
That's called PIS and fake tension.
That's exactly why... People are not robots.
The reasons why football is so entertaining is not because some people are better than others, they have pretty much the same level, it's because some players make mistakes that creates occasions..
Of course some are on top, but usually, that's a really small difference.
The reasons why football is so entertaining is not because some people are better than others, they have pretty much the same level, it's because some players make mistakes that creates occasions..
Of course some are on top, but usually, that's a really small difference.