Current Events Oda completely lost the plot at the end of Egghead

[Reborn]

Their "own" perspective is ONE big pespective with variations mate.
It's a hatefull one.




But sure, you might find some glimps of positivity here and there, but everything will turn to sh*t on this forum when it comes to discussing manga or any deep subjects.

If no one cares to change anyone else's opinion is because they are already in the loop or they forfeit the option to have an impact. There is a reason why I'm trying to bring more positivity here, and I'm being told EVEN by those who are the most positive, that it is a lost cause.

So if you care about this fantasy, go for it. But I see it as it is : an echo chamber of negativity.

Everything is hateful to you if they don't align with your thinking lmao

You keep on calling criticism as toxic and label it as negativity

Excessive positivity is toxic as well and I have seen people who likes one piece a lot resorting to labelling others as stupid or insulting them. Calling them to get educated.

You lot who try to portray themselves as "positive" aren't really positive per se.

All you want is an echo chamber of yours with "Yes Men" who aligns with your thinking and the moment someone doesn't then they become ignorant or toxic for you lot.

You people who call themselves as "positive" simply have habit of voicing out" your superiority complex" and have people agree to you opinion otherwise they all negative.

 

[Killerj]

You are expecting too much from oda, you all here saw what he is doing in new world, all his villains are pis diffed, bm kaido the commanders, 0 brain activity from any of them, most were overpowered by insane pis, the gorosei were neg diffed by pis, this is a nika show
Vegapunk was just a side character like caesar and judge, they were along for the ride, and just that. Nika is all Oda thinks about.

 

[Logiko]

Everything is hateful to you if they don't align with your thinking lmao

See.. there is not discussing with that kind of talk. I'm talking about constant negativity on pretty much every topic (some topic that I sometimes do not even care to talk about) and you are telling me that people are just not aligning with my view.

DUH , I have a very positive vision of the story, so of course most of this negativity will not align, but that's not the problem. The problem is the pressure of said negativity.

In a normal environement, I could settle for a 15 to 20% ratio of negativity. Overall positive sections, but fair criticisms here and there.. but on this forum the ratio is (by sight) around 90 to 95 % !

This is not balanced and this is what a negative echo chamber is.

Negativity is not supposed to be present massively in a fanbase and it's not supposed to be this prevalent to this point. Not unless the authors are completely ruining the story. Which is NOT what is happening. So there are no rationnal reasons to be okay with this.

Excessive positivity is toxic

No. Idealization is toxic.

Excessive positivity is excessively positive, that's all.

Calling them to get educated.

Yes, when people spread completely wrong facts about the story, trying to tell people that they are right, that Oda is therefore a fraud for it, that they try to appear as analyst but actually don't know a thing about either storytelling or the deeper narration of One Piece...

.. then yes, they need to humble down and learn. because they are spreading negativity for no reasons but their missunderstanding.

Again, it's the example of people not understanding why Sanji asked for help in the first place and called Oda a fraud for it.

You lot who try to portray themselves as "positive" aren't really positive per se.

Indeed, they are forced to be negative by reactance. Just like I can show my teeth in reaction to the toxicity and negativity of this forum.

But there is one behavior that is legitimate, the other.. not so much.

All you want is an echo chamber of yours with "Yes Men" who aligns with your thinking and the moment someone doesn't then they become ignorant or toxic for you lot.

No mate, you really don't understand who I am if you think that.

In fact, I want people who question the story and discuss more deeply about it. People that goes beyond, that spread the positive AND the negative aspects of the story and shows why and how those must be discussed.

It's seems that you think like I'm trying to create a bunch of idealized fans, when in reality I want to create a group of scholars that will tear down the fabric of One Piece to understand it to the maximum and extend the thinking to other stories and the real world.

Yes I want positivity, but negativity has its place too, just not in majority and not in such a ratio.

 

[Poorsalino Cooker]

But sure, you might find some glimps of positivity here and there, but everything will turn to sh*t on this forum when it comes to discussing manga or any deep subjects.

It only turns to shit whenever you enter a conversation because you always have to act like a victimized drama queen or a pseudo-intellectual who thinks One Piece will be taught in universities as if it were the works of Shakespeare or Tolkien.

Just get off your high horse and accept that people will disagree with you, and if you don't like it, just go to Reddit. Its literally an echo chamber paradise.

Their "own" perspective is ONE big pespective with variations mate.

Dude, there are perspectives here that think Oda only dropped the ball with Egghead or way before that, and you even have people defending Egghead here and in the new chapter thread, while others don't care and just want to powerscale. Just admit you're mad because the ONE perspective here isn't YOUR perspective.

It's a hatefull one.

It only sounds hateful when the posts are aimed at you and that's because you always act like a rude and disingenuous person towards others even when they try to be civil with you by calling them racist or some other buzzword to get your point across.

If anyone's criticism here sounds hateful towards Oda, its all mostly aimed at his writing or his editors, and in the end it doesn't matter since Oda himself isn't losing any sleep over it because he's a millionaire busy with his work. Acting like a martyr isn't gonna net you any points with Oda or the people around you, but if you at least try to act less pretentious around here, other members wouldn't be so rude to you and might actually grow to like you.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Let's see it that way if it helps you, this is not a One Piece fan forum but a One Piece reader forum.

 

[Logiko]

It only turns to shit whenever you enter a conversation because you always have to act like a victimized drama queen or a pseudo-intellectual who thinks One Piece will be taught in universities as if it were the works of Shakespeare or Tolkien.

Just get off your high horse and accept that people will disagree with you, and if you don't like it, just go to Reddit. Its literally an echo chamber paradise.

No. I consider taht ready has other similar problems. But not of the same nature.

And yes, chances are that One Piece WILL be taught in universities of storytelling. That would not be surprising at all in fact. And yes, Oda is close to those author. Do not think that because it's a manga and because it is goofy, that it doesn't hold in term of narrative quality. That would be missunderstanding completely what storytelling is about.

And no. I don't need to be here for negativity to spread.

Dude, there are perspectives here that think Oda only dropped the ball with Egghead or way before that, and you even have people defending Egghead here and in the new chapter thread, while others don't care and just want to powerscale. Just admit you're mad because the ONE perspective here isn't YOUR perspective.

Yes me. And very few ones. Do you want me to be glad that there are 5 or 6 people in a forum of 1000 constant users that are defending the chapter ? Come on...



I'm not mad. I'm never mad. I'm simply concerned. For three reasons :

1 - Because I know what a toxic fanbase can do (Hi Star Wars fanbase), not only to the authors, but to every one who participate in the projects and those who defend the story.

2 - Because I want One Piece to remain One Piece without having to be scared that Oda will try to do by fan pressure.

3 - Because it create a false paradigm of the understanding of storytelling and a fallacious way to see stories

Negativity leads to toxicity. And toxicity in fanbases leads to harmfull behaviors against the story, against the authors, against the fans and sometimes.. even against society itself when it radicalize and uses the momentum and ideology of the negativity of the fanbase as momuntum for reactionnary political agendas.

It's not a matter of being mad against this forum. I don't care enough about the opinion of haters here to be mad against them, I'm simply concerned for everything else and the impact this forum could have on the fanbase.

Hence why I want to contain toxicity and not let it spread.

It only sounds hateful when the posts are aimed at you and that's because you always act like a rude and disingenuous person towards others even when they try to be civil with you by calling them racist or some other buzzword to get your point across.

If anyone's criticism here sounds hateful towards Oda, its all mostly aimed at his writing or his editors, and in the end it doesn't matter since Oda himself isn't losing any sleep over it because he's a millionaire busy with his work. Acting like a martyr isn't gonna net you any points with Oda or the people around you, but if you at least try to act less pretentious around here, other members wouldn't be so rude to you and might actually grow to like you.

It's not about me. You can hate me all you want. I've tanked more hatefull and angry rethoric than anyone else on this forum.

This is not something that moves me. I simply do not care, I can take it to infinity. What I care about are everything else:

- Positive fans
- The story
- Creators
- Those who participate in the creation of One Piece all over the world
- Storytelling
- And overall things and people in society that could be targeted if this fanbase were to become like the Star Wars one

If anyone's criticism here sounds hateful towards Oda, its all mostly aimed at his writing or his editors, and in the end it doesn't matter since Oda himself isn't losing any sleep over it because he's a millionaire busy with his work. Acting like a martyr isn't gonna net you any points with Oda or the people around you, but if you at least try to act less pretentious around here, other members wouldn't be so rude to you and might actually grow to like you.

Never underestimate the power of nuisance of a fanbase.

a One Piece reader forum.

Not really, if this was the case, people would have understood this chapter and the point of Vegapunk's character.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

No. I consider taht ready has other similar problems. But not of the same nature.

And yes, chances are that One Piece WILL be taught in universities of storytelling. That would not be surprising at all in fact. And yes, Oda is close to those author. Do not think that because it's a manga and because it is goofy, that it doesn't hold in term of narrative quality. That would be missunderstanding completely what storytelling is about.

And no. I don't need to be here for negativity to spread.



Yes me. And very few ones. Do you want me to be glad that there are 5 or 6 people in a forum of 1000 constant users that are defending the chapter ? Come on...



I'm not mad. I'm never mad. I'm simply concerned. For three reasons :

1 - Because I know what a toxic fanbase can do (Hi Star Wars fanbase), not only to the authors, but to every one who participate in the projects and those who defend the story.

2 - Because I want One Piece to remain One Piece without having to be scared that Oda will try to do by fan pressure.

3 - Because it create a false paradigm of the understanding of storytelling and a fallacious way to see stories

Negativity leads to toxicity. And toxicity in fanbases leads to harmfull behaviors against the story, against the authors, against the fans and sometimes.. even against society itself when it radicalize and uses the momentum and ideology of the negativity of the fanbase as momuntum for reactionnary political agendas.

It's not a matter of being mad against this forum. I don't care enough about the opinion of haters here to be mad against them, I'm simply concerned for everything else and the impact this forum could have on the fanbase.

Hence why I want to contain toxicity and not let it spread.


It's not about me. You can hate me all you want. I've tanked more hatefull and angry rethoric than anyone else on this forum.

This is not something that moves me. I simply do not care, I can take it to infinity. What I care about are everything else:

- Positive fans
- The story
- Creators
- Those who participate in the creation of One Piece all over the world
- Storytelling
- And overall things and people in society that could be targeted if this fanbase were to become like the Star Wars one



Never underestimate the power of nuisance of a fanbase.



Not really, if this was the case, people would have understood this chapter and the point of Vegapunk's character.

We understand, we just don't like it though. He's being a moron, he could have locked York up then went to hide with Dragon or something

 

[dirtyLarry]

You're missing a key factor here. Vegapunk dying by the WGs hands is what makes it believable.

People are going to question it, but when they find out Vegapunk was killed over the information, then it makes it real.

If he was to deliver that message and then dip, the WG can just paint him a man who lost his mind, and call the whole thing false.

They can't cover up the truth, when a person died to deliver the message. They can try, but that one is a hard sell when Vegapunk tells everyone, he's going to be killed for this, and that's exactly what happens.

Sorry, but that's also not an argument for me.

He could just easily state that he will now be missing and most likely get killed if he sent out the message a few days earlier and then went into hiding on some independent island with the rest.

Zero difference, since he wouldn't be present in public anymore either and everyone would know that he was serious about it.

Heck, even right now nobody knows what exactly was going on at Egghead either. We've even seen that most people still believe that the SHs were taking Vegapunk hostage or that Vegapunk had simply gone insane.

 

[Logiko]

We understand, we just don't like it though. He's being a moron, he could have locked York up then went to hide with Dragon or something

Ffs... What can't people understand in the words "Vegapunk needed to die".

If Vegapunk didn't die and hide, the gov wouldve cut his ressources ANYWAY and tried every possible thing, even going to war against Dragon, to kill him off. So Vegapunk would have never be able to create anything big ever again. His life's work was about to be destroyed ANYWAY. It was too late.

Vegapunk was condamned in any case. So he had to put everything he learned to use, and for that he had to create a recording where he revealed everything.

BUT

Such recording wouldn't have ANY kind of impact if vegapunk just started to broadcast it one day out of the blue. Vegapunk needed to make people understand clearly that he was not joking. So..

Vegapunk had to be killed and broadcast that data to the world. Just like Roger had to die to push the new era. There was no other option in this time limit.

So...

He crafted a way to make this broadcast begin right at his death. For that, he had to make sure York wasn't aware of the plan so that the snail would not be found out until it was to late. So he choosed not to do anything and let her and the governement think that they were in control.

BUT

They is always the risk of the synchronization of the brain or a leak of information from the three protagonists (vegapunk, Shaka, Pythagoras) so he makes all three of them remove their memories in order for no leak to happen.

Hence why Vegapunk thinks at first that he must go with Luffy... and then starts to understand that he needs to die.

Vegapunk made a very BIG mistake by underestimating his greed, but he managed to create a way where his future self would be able to understand what would need to be done anyway. It's a simple 3D chest move. Nothing really crazy, but NOT dumb at all.

And it's possible that Vegapunk predicted a potentiality where Luffy would arrives and thus a way for one of the satellite to be saved. Hence why there the letters says this :

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Not really, if this was the case, people would have understood this chapter and the point of Vegapunk's character.

No-one gives a shit about your opinion on Vegapunk's character, if you like him so much why don't you marry him?

 

[Logiko]

No-one gives a shit about your opinion on Vegapunk's character, if you like him so much why don't you marry him?

 

[dirtyLarry]

And yes, chances are that One Piece WILL be taught in universities of storytelling.

Ok, now I have to step in.

Zero chances this actually happens.

One Piece - despite really enjoying it (while critizising it from time to time, like in this thread) - is a very generic shonen manga.

There is nothing special about the storytelling except for it's scale, it's a kid's manga after all.

Every major arc follows a very basic blueprint:

• strawhat crew arrives at a new island
• SHs split up and discover that some sort of conflict is going on, meeting some friendly people (most of the time a young, beautiful princess) in that process
• at first it appears the conflict was caused by the natural development inside the island, but some obviously bad guys appear and have a first conflict with the SHs which usually ends bad for our heroes
• now the conflict is revealed to be set up by the main bad guy(s) through some sort of deception / misunderstanding (flashback time)
  • Bonus points if there is a scene where this whole misunderstanding is being cleared up and all the island inhabitants go ”oh nooo that guy we thought did something bad actually had a good reason for that, we are such idiots nooooo”
• Luffy (and the SHs) beats up the main bad guy(s) in the second round which solves all issues and everyone is happy, since the whole conflict was just a misunderstanding/set up anyway
• banquet and leaving for the next island

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Ok, now I have to step in.

Zero chances this actually happens.

One Piece - despite really enjoying it (while critizising it from time to time, like in this thread) - is a very generic shonen manga.

There is nothing special about the storytelling except for it's scale, it's a kid's manga after all.

Every major arc follows a very basic blueprint:

• strawhat crew arrives at a new island
• SHs split up and discover that some sort of conflict is going on, meeting some friendly people (most of the time a young, beautiful princess) in that process
• at first it appears the conflict was caused by the natural development inside the island, but some obviously bad guys appear and have a first conflict with the SHs which usually ends bad for our heroes
• now the conflict is revealed to be set up by the main bad guy(s) through some sort of deception / misunderstanding (flashback time)
  • Bonus points if there is a scene where this whole misunderstanding is being cleared up and all the island inhabitants go ”oh nooo that guy we thought did something bad actually had a good reason for that, we are such idiots nooooo”
• Luffy (and the SHs) beats up the main bad guy(s) in the second round which solves all issues and everyone is happy, since the whole conflict was just a misunderstanding/set up anyway
• banquet and leaving for the next island

The academia nowadays is a meme, they make courses about literally anything. It's almost certain that it will.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Ffs... What can't people understand in the words "Vegapunk needed to die".

If Vegapunk didn't die and hide, the gov wouldve cut his ressources ANYWAY and tried every possible thing, even going to war against Dragon, to kill him off. So Vegapunk would have never be able to create anything big ever again. His life's work was about to be destroyed ANYWAY. It was too late.

Vegapunk was condamned in any case. So he had to put everything he learned to use, and for that he had to create a recording where he revealed everything.

BUT

Such recording wouldn't have ANY kind of impact if vegapunk just started to broadcast it one day out of the blue. Vegapunk needed to make people understand clearly that he was not joking. So..

Vegapunk had to be killed and broadcast that data to the world. Just like Roger had to die to push the new era. There was no other option in this time limit.

So...

He crafted a way to make this broadcast begin right at his death. For that, he had to make sure York wasn't aware of the plan so that the snail would not be found out until it was to late. So he choosed not to do anything and let her and the governement think that they were in control.

BUT

They is always the risk of the synchronization of the brain or a leak of information from the three protagonists (vegapunk, Shaka, Pythagoras) so he makes all three of them remove their memories in order for no leak to happen.

Hence why Vegapunk thinks at first that he must go with Luffy... and then starts to understand that he needs to die.

Vegapunk made a very BIG mistake by underestimating his greed, but he managed to create a way where his future self would be able to understand what would need to be done anyway. It's a simple 3D chest move. Nothing really crazy, but NOT dumb at all.

And it's possible that Vegapunk predicted a potentiality where Luffy would arrives and thus a way for one of the satellite to be saved. Hence why there the letters says this :

You talk too much. Also that still wouldn't stop him from just locking up York and going on the run
He doesn't have to go to Dragon come to think of it. Any small island the WG pays no attention to would be perfect
There's a lot of potential hiding spots and what not. He didn't need to do this idiotic and overly convoluted plan and let not only himself but all his satellites die and Sentomaru get arrested (nearly arrested, he might be fine since the Marines surrounding him passed out)

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Dragon is public enemy n1 and has just made a raid on Mariejois, attacking CDs, gorosei and Imu and finding out his identity. They don't need Legapunk as an excuse to attack him.

 

[Logiko]

Zero chances this actually happens.

Really. This is not even a "if" it's a "when".

Do not underestimate the potential of this story.

There is nothing special about the storytelling except for it's scale, it's a kid's manga after all.

That's missunderstanding One Piece quite a lot.

Every major arc follows a very basic blueprint:

• strawhat crew arrives at a new island
• SHs split up and discover that some sort of conflict is going on, meeting some friendly people (most of the time a young, beautiful princess) in that process
• at first it appears the conflict was caused by the natural development inside the island, but some obviously bad guys appear and have a first conflict with the SHs which usually ends bad for our heroes
• now the conflict is revealed to be set up by the main bad guy(s) through some sort of deception / misunderstanding (flashback time)
  • Bonus points if there is a scene where this whole misunderstanding is being cleared up and all the island inhabitants go ”oh nooo that guy we thought did something bad actually had a good reason for that, we are such idiots nooooo”
• Luffy (and the SHs) beats up the main bad guy(s) in the second round which solves all issues and everyone is happy, since the whole conflict was just a misunderstanding/set up anyway
• banquet and leaving for the next island

Yes. That's not even the surface level. That the Meniscus of the storytelling water.

Any small island the WG pays no attention to would be perfect

There is no place where he could hide and doing researches without being spotted. Plus, this wouldn't change the fact that the truth would still need to be spread. And without his death, no chances that people believe him.

 

[kurwa]

Egghead started to go down with Kuma's flashback.
There was no reason for cuck Kuma's flashback to be that long. 4 chapters max, yet Oda dragged that boring shit for like 10 chapters. Even most strawhats didn't get more than 1 chapter of flashback.

Egghead became completely shit the moment all Gorosei showed up. Holy hell what a bunch of dogshit.
Just endless running around and Gorosei jobbing, being weaker than east blue villains and hilariously incompetent. Vegapunk yapping about nothing for 15 chapters. Pointless reactions of mostly fodder who no one gives a single fuck about nor do they say anything of value.

Egghead also had no reason to include and waste time on CP0 and Seraphim. Why were they there? Cp0 wasted so much time just as mere weak underlings and Seraphim were taken care of offscreen, so why even include them?

In short, whole arc could've been done in 25 chapters if Oda was a good writer.

 

[Juanpiz]

Dragon is public enemy n1 and has just made a raid on Mariejois, attacking CDs, gorosei and Imu and finding out his identity. They don't need Legapunk as an excuse to attack him.

Sabo and others were responsible for almost all the work

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Egghead started to go down with Kuma's flashback.
There was no reason for cuck Kuma's flashback to be that long. 4 chapters max, yet Oda dragged that boring shit for like 10 chapters. Even most strawhats didn't get more than 1 chapter of flashback.

Egghead became completely shit the moment all Gorosei showed up. Holy hell what a bunch of dogshit.
Just endless running around and Gorosei jobbing, being weaker than east blue villains and hilariously incompetent. Vegapunk yapping about nothing for 15 chapters. Pointless reactions of mostly fodder who no one gives a single fuck about nor do they say anything of value.

Egghead also had no reason to include and waste time on CP0 and Seraphim. Why were they there? Cp0 wasted so much time just as mere weak underlings and Seraphim were taken care of offscreen, so why even include them?

In short, whole arc could've been done in 25 chapters if Oda was a good writer.

Why were they there?
Same thing I am wondering about the vice admirals

 

[dirtyLarry]

Why were they there?
Same thing I am wondering about the vice admirals

It's Oda's biggest problem: He includes stuff just because he thinks it's cool, when in reality it serves zero plot purpose and just keeps dragging things out.

The vice admirals weren't even the worst thing (although they were completely useless once again).

In my opinion Kizaru, the Seraphim and CP0 were much worse, since they were responsible for quite a chunk of chapters dedicated to them that proved to be very unnecessary in hidsight.

They added nothing of importance to the arc and you could've easily cut 10-15 chapters without any major plot consequences, if you just left them out and let Saturn (who was the main arc villaina anyway) kill Vegapunk in the end.

 

[Wano Never Happened]

Zero chances this actually happens.

I could certainly see some arcs beings used as examples of how not to write a story.