Powers & Abilities Oda did a deservice to have Sanji and Zoro jump mutiple tiers.

[HA001]

G3 completely obliterated picas face. Imagine that attack hitting picas chest.

Hitting the chest wouldn't obliterate it but it'd break pica. Let's be real.


G4 luffy wouldve outperformed zoros strongest attack with ease. Doffy wouldve high diffed zoro and sanji

G3 wouldn't do shit
G4 would break it but if luffy needs g4 that says it all

Doffy negged sanji

Zoro beats him

 

[Rukusho]

This only applies to Sanji, who was using DJ on every enemy he came across.

Not until Wano has Zoro gone all out and it took a Yonko for him to do so.

Doffy would have been bisected if Fujitora didn’t interfere.

 

[uyuu]

They were legit weaker than Doflamingo in dressrosa. Nomatter where you want to put Doflamingo cracker showed the ability to cut g4 which Doflamingo couldn't do. Over the past 5 or 6 years Oda could have given the two multiple fights with strong people to slowly level them up.

Is this consistent with growth preskip or is this poorly done.

Its purely plot requirement...i agree Oda shouldve make their powerlevel progressed gradually

 

[Abysmal]

have you any proof that he was stronger

if not wouldn't it be a safer bet to assume that he isnt to be conservative and more reasonable given the developments at the time?

Lmao whats the difference between rooftop Zoro and DR Zoro, Enma was confirmed to be holding back Zoro, and Shusui is a black blade, Imagine thinking Asura wouldnt cut Doflamingo in half in DR. Especially that Oda didnt make Doflamingo and Zoro clash, that atleast tells us something lol.

 

[Herrera95]

They were legit weaker than Doflamingo in dressrosa

Sanji yes. Zoro no. Fujitora had to save Doffy from Zoro. that is his leve at DR

 

[BleakAsh]

Why the need to be « safe »?

Oda as shown several times that there is absolutely no need to be reasonable with Zoro. He regularly outdo every expectations that people have for the character.

safe = not being unreasonably bias

don't ask why thats important if you have any sense of credibility

"Oda has shown that there no need to be reasonable with zoro" .. idk the instances where he has shown or alluded to such but is this a way of simplistically justifying anything attributed to zoro?

Man the fact that zoro was busy trying to stop the birdcage not even cutting it
Oda could have had him stall Doffy until Luffy recovered but no..
not saying that shows direct inferiority to doffy but it doesn't show any superiority either.

 

[JyThony]

have you any proof that he was stronger

if not wouldn't it be a safer bet to assume that he isnt to be conservative and more reasonable given the developments at the time?

If King didn’t completely destroy Zoro as badly as he did at the start of the fight, people would still be arguing that Zoro is MILES stronger than every YC because of his rooftop feats.

There’s no way to argue that would’ve beat Doffy (a ~YC3 fighter) in DR once you consider how he fared against a YC1 even AFTER learning Enma.

Zoro was pretty strong coming out of timeskip, but he’ll always be overestimated by his fans.

 

[Abysmal]

safe = not being unreasonably bias

don't ask why thats important if you have any sense of credibility

"Oda has shown that there no need to be reasonable with zoro" .. idk the instances where he has shown or alluded to such but is this a way of simplistically justifying anything attributed to zoro?

Man the fact that zoro was busy trying to stop the birdcage not even cutting it
Oda could have had him stall Doffy until Luffy recovered but no..
not saying that shows direct inferiority to doffy but it doesn't show any superiority either.

So Zoro + Fuji not being able to cut the birdcage makes Doffy atleast equal to both of them combined ? bs argument, we all know the birdcage plot is stupid and idiotic.

 

[BleakAsh]

Lmao whats the difference between rooftop Zoro and DR Zoro, Enma was confirmed to be holding back Zoro, and Shusui is a black blade, Imagine thinking Asura wouldnt cut Doflamingo in half in DR. Especially that Oda didnt make Doflamingo and Zoro clash, that atleast tells us something lol.

ofc this is all a headcanon surely even you'd agree but this is still not passable mate

its like saying HM would have one shot doffy and burnt him to a crisp.. its baseless.. we know CqC with Doffy.. if he restrains you you're dead...

 

[Abysmal]

ofc this is all a headcanon surely even you'd agree but this is still not passable mate

its like saying HM would have one shot doffy and burnt him to a crisp.. its baseless.. we know CqC with Doffy.. if he restrains you you're dead...

Zoro has far greater endurance and CoA than Sanji, and he even overpowered Fuji's gravity, dont try to apply the restraining bs on Zoro lol.
Asura damaged Kaido, HM didnt even damage Queen, I think the tiers are obvious, Zoro's AP is on another level.

 

[BleakAsh]

So Zoro + Fuji not being able to cut the birdcage makes Doffy atleast equal to both of them combined ? bs argument, we all know the birdcage plot is stupid and idiotic.

fuji admitted that he didn't wanna get involved and left it to the pirates
plus take a look at the reactions of zoro and the rest compared to fuji when the cage disappeared .. the man wasn't even stressing..

if its stupid and idiotic then that just proves my point that the unreasonably bs regarding using "Ill-logic" to justify zoro's superiority is bs as well like yall claim


atleast the birdcage plot is fukin canon even if granted is stupid.

if you wanna take it into consideration it doesn't make zoro look good at all infront of doffy

 

[Abysmal]

If King didn’t completely destroy Zoro as badly as he did at the start of the fight, people would still be arguing that Zoro is MILES stronger than every YC because of his rooftop feats.

There’s no way to argue that would’ve beat Doffy (a ~YC3 fighter) in DR once you consider how he fared against a YC1 even AFTER learning Enma.

Zoro was pretty strong coming out of timeskip, but he’ll always be overestimated by his fans.

"Destroy", East Blue Zoro survived Mihawks attack face on, and you compare that to being tossed around rocks, lmao, it was just Zoro trying to figure out how Kings power worked.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

People talking about Zoro overpowering Fuji’s gravity when Sanji overpowers gravity casually by walking

 

[Peroroncino]

Its just common sense. People keep claiming that Zoro having black lightning around his swords is some kind of proof that he has coc coating but Doflamingo was already casually doing that and Zoro doesn't have the mobility or strength to deal with Doflamingos awakening. Even if somehow he was powerful enough to fight doflamingo he has to damage doflamingo enough to put him down even with doflamingo healing.

more than a month later and people are still coping because of zoro's adv coc

 

[bennbeckman]

To Sanji forsure... made him the immoral compass by getting power up via Germa Awakening... Oda telling the people non Germa Sanji was pretty weak compared to YC

To Zoro nah, because the power up was Adv CoC telling the readers Zoro was at a YC level entering New World

 

[BleakAsh]

Zoro has far greater endurance and CoA than Sanji, and he even overpowered Fuji's gravity, dont try to apply the restraining bs on Zoro lol.
Asura damaged Kaido, HM didnt even damage Queen, I think the tiers are obvious, Zoro's AP is on another level.

that's not that poing.. I'm not trying to guve a reasonable explanation that why HM would one shot Doffy who's durability isn't even on queen's level but far inferior

I'm comparing your baseless argument with another baseless argument..

coz in both cases context and facts are unavailable.. and we don't know how it'll go down

 

[Ryuarashi]

Could have been handled better for sure, only Luffy struggled and grew

 

[bennbeckman]

G3 wouldn't do shit
G4 would break it but if luffy needs g4 that says it all

Doffy negged sanji

Zoro beats him

They dont even believe Doffy NEGGED Sanji despite the actual panels saying otherwise hahahahaha

 

[Abysmal]

fuji admitted that he didn't wanna get involved and left it to the pirates
plus take a look at the reactions of zoro and the rest compared to fuji.. the man wasn't even stressing..

if its stupid and idiotic then that just proves my point that the unreasonably bs regarding using "Ill-logic" to justify zoro's superiority is bs as well like yall claim


atleast the birdcage plot is fukin canon even if granted is stupid.

if you wanna take it into consideration it doesn't make zoro look good at all infront of doffy

Dont try to justify Sanji getting negged by dragging down DR Zoro with him, you have no proof of Zoro being weaker than Doffy, but I have proof that if Asura lands on him he'll be dead, man almost went to bed by taking a Gamma knife, the same attack that did no damage to Kaido, unlike Asura. I'm using logic here.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

have you any proof that he was stronger

if not wouldn't it be a safer bet to assume that he isnt to be conservative and more reasonable given the developments at the time?

No its not safer