Powers & Abilities Oda did a deservice to have Sanji and Zoro jump mutiple tiers.

[bennbeckman]

They were legit weaker than Doflamingo in dressrosa. Nomatter where you want to put Doflamingo cracker showed the ability to cut g4 which Doflamingo couldn't do. Over the past 5 or 6 years Oda could have given the two multiple fights with strong people to slowly level them up.

Is this consistent with growth preskip or is this poorly done.

Not they... Just Sanji... literally getting NEGGED by Doffy

 

[BleakAsh]

Dont try to justify Sanji getting negged by dragging down DR Zoro with him, you have no proof of Zoro being weaker than Doffy, but I have proof that if Asura lands on him hell be dead, man almost went to bed by taking a Gamma knife, the same attack that did no damage to Kaido, unlike Asura. I'm using logic here.

you are going to tangents and reiterating headcanons

yea and you're not considering Coc imbued enma in that Ashura so..
huh

 

[Fn Lucci]

Post timeskip Zoro would lose to Doflamingo? The guy who cut Kaido vs the guy who refused to even face him? Gtfo

Nothing new. Zoro and Sanji were fodder to CP9 in water 7 suddenly far stronger than them in EL.

King and Queen are the same thing

This is also dumb, not in the least because Nami actually explained it. And before you try to ironically argue that this isn't "how it works" I say keep in mind Sergio Martinez lost a tepid decision to Paul Williams and smoked him quickly in the rematch. That is literally how it works, outcomes are situational.

 

[Abysmal]

you are going to tangents and reiterating headcanons

yea and you're not considering Coc imbued enma in that Ashura so..
huh

CoC imbued Shisui is stronger at that point, people are born with CoC, if Doffy manages to extreme diff Zoro right there, it wouldve bloomed, no difference, the same attack wouldve happened and Doffy would be dead.

 

[BleakAsh]

CoC imbued Shisui is stronger at that point, people are born with CoC, if Doffy manages to extreme diff Zoro right there, it wouldve bloomed, no difference, the same attack wouldve happened and Doffy would be dead.

you're now using plot armour as bases.. nice..

i not saying Ashura can't KO doffy btw I'm saying its ridiculous to say it'd be that simple.. you can't even prove that zoro comes out of his string restraints.. or even deal with parasite

ofc without plot armour..

with right amount of plot armour anything is possible.. even Luffy won due to it..

 

[Buggy06]

DR Zoro had no chance against Doffy. Wano Zoro Would win tho.

 

[HA001]

Doffys haki broke to laws non coa clad non graded sword. He gets folded

 

[notAfanboy]

One Piece power system is bad, there is no clear distinction in it.
Again, people say it is an adventure manga and not DBZ, but all they talk about is power level and power scaling.

 

[WesMidnight]

You have no proof that Zoro was weaker than Doflamingo in DR.

Zoro couldn't stop the passive bird cage.
Zoro called Pica a pebble for his captain, yet had to use his best AoE ougi technique, and get a mobility assist to beat him
Luffy needed G4 to beat Doffy, Zoro has nothing G4 level on Dressrosa.
Zoro has consistently been around Sanji level and a decent chunk weaker than Luffy. Sanji and Law were no match for Doflamingo and Zoro is somewhere in between the two, closer to Sanji.

 

[DonWick]

They were legit weaker than Doflamingo in dressrosa. Nomatter where you want to put Doflamingo cracker showed the ability to cut g4 which Doflamingo couldn't do. Over the past 5 or 6 years Oda could have given the two multiple fights with strong people to slowly level them up.

Is this consistent with growth preskip or is this poorly done.

Doffy was stronger than Queen and Jack. Zoro came out of the time skip commander level. He didn’t sweat until Wano. He coasted Killer and only got hurt because someone interfered. He coasted Pica all Pica could do was run. He coasted Monet without seriously attacking her. He coasted everyone except Fujitora who is an admiral and recognized Zoros strength.

Zoros powerup also makes perfect sense. The sword forces haki out of the person which basically showed Zoro how strong he was when poured his all into his attacks.

While Sanji was weaker than the commanders his power up has some flaws but kind of makes sense. I don’t get how the RS awakened his Germa genes. But it’s not like he needed to train his power was genetic.

 

[HA001]

Zoro couldn't stop the passive bird cage.
Zoro called Pica a pebble for his captain, yet had to use his best AoE ougi technique, and get a mobility assist to beat him
Luffy needed G4 to beat Doffy, Zoro has nothing G4 level on Dressrosa.
Zoro has consistently been around Sanji level and a decent chunk weaker than Luffy. Sanji and Law were no match for Doflamingo and Zoro is somewhere in between the two, closer to Sanji.

Zoro shits on g4.

Zoro didn't need to do anything zoro sliced the golem with no name slashes after isds
Zoro beat pica with a move weaker than he used on the golem

Assist lmfao luffys lived off being helped
Help vs doffy Cracker kata kaido

Zoros ap can cut kaido g4 couldn't tickle him
Luffy needed multiple power ups and still got outshone by zoro on the roof pre coc.

 

[WesMidnight]

Zoro shits on g4.

Zoro didn't need to do anything zoro sliced the golem with no name slashes after isds
Zoro beat pica with a move weaker than he used on the golem

Assist lmfao luffys lived off being helped
Help vs doffy Cracker kata kaido

Zoros ap can cut kaido g4 couldn't tickle him
Luffy needed multiple power ups and still got outshone by zoro on the roof pre coc.

Current Zoro with Enma+ adv CoC, sure that probably surpasses G4 Dressrosa Luffy.

Dressrosa Zoro fuck no, the dude fainted to a nerfed Killer after 2 arcs of offscreen boosts lol and only got to where he is after multiple blooms, training sessions and the ultimate masterpiece of Kozaburo, Enma.

 

[Geo]

They were legit weaker than Doflamingo in dressrosa. Nomatter where you want to put Doflamingo cracker showed the ability to cut g4 which Doflamingo couldn't do. Over the past 5 or 6 years Oda could have given the two multiple fights with strong people to slowly level them up.

Is this consistent with growth preskip or is this poorly done.

Maybe because your opinion is based on your poor scaling

 

[bennbeckman]

Current Zoro with Enma+ adv CoC, sure that probably surpasses G4 Dressrosa Luffy.

Dressrosa Zoro fuck no, the dude fainted to a nerfed Killer after 2 arcs of offscreen boosts lol and only got to where he is after multiple blooms, training sessions and the ultimate masterpiece of Kozaburo, Enma.

Zbois: Can we get a work cited for these facts

WesMidnight: Pulled these facts right outta my ass I have no idea what im talking bout

 

[The White Crane]

They were legit weaker than Doflamingo in dressrosa. Nomatter where you want to put Doflamingo cracker showed the ability to cut g4 which Doflamingo couldn't do. Over the past 5 or 6 years Oda could have given the two multiple fights with strong people to slowly level them up.

Is this consistent with growth preskip or is this poorly done.

Imagine thinking Zoro was weaker than Doffy. Another failed attempt to group faux wings together, huh?

 

[bennbeckman]

Maybe because your opinion is based on your poor scaling

It's just called pulling them out of their ass

 

[The White Crane]

G3 completely obliterated picas face. Imagine that attack hitting picas chest.

Hitting the chest wouldn't obliterate it but it'd break pica. Let's be real.


G4 luffy wouldve outperformed zoros strongest attack with ease. Doffy wouldve high diffed zoro and sanji

Doffy already loldiffed Lanjino. That is no guarantee he can high diff Zoro, 'cause Zoro would have wrecked him.

 

[bennbeckman]

Doffy already loldiffed Lanjino. That is no guarantee he can high diff Zoro, 'cause Zoro would have wrecked him.

It's a case of Oda loves Zoro and doesnt want to showcase his true strength

At the same time Oda just makes Sanji a hype tool for other fighters

 

[HA001]

Current Zoro with Enma+ adv CoC, sure that probably surpasses G4 Dressrosa Luffy.

Dressrosa Zoro fuck no, the dude fainted to a nerfed Killer after 2 arcs of offscreen boosts lol and only got to where he is after multiple blooms, training sessions and the ultimate masterpiece of Kozaburo, Enma.

G4 got laughed at by Cracker
Cracker who's biscuits Brook and Pedro cut with ease and hid in lmfao

Zoro one shot killer

Luffy actually got kod by apoo


Zoro had no power up.

He only finally got some semblance of control of enma when he let all his own haki flow

That's zoros "power up"

To stop holding back

And that's for acoc to get ap stronger than his attacks that can scar yonko

Ap to fold doffy he had that out the timeskip.

 

[The White Crane]

Wait, are you questioning whether or not Zoro has coc coating? lmfao
Doflamingo's black lightning was from the coc clash with Luffy, he never had black lightning coming directly from his hands or strings

Clowns like @IsaziSempi does not know how to powerscale. They genuinely think that, since Lanjino extreme diffed Queen via sneak attacks, he is stronger than King, Katakuri, Marco, and Doffy. Beware of their fanfiction when replying.