Powers & Abilities Oda dropping the ball with Haki...again

[dirtyLarry]

I've said it from the start: Haki has always been a very inconsistent power system, that wasn't really thought through and just seems improvised.

It's really like Oda realized that the logia DFs were too overpowered and that Luffy just had no way to go toe to toe with all of them in a fair fight and then just came up with a second powersystem.

Those things usually tend to create a bit of a mess.

Using one really thought through and consistent powersystem (like Nen in HxH) is way better than coming up with one powersystem and then just bringing up a second additional one, because you realized weaknesses in the first system.

 

[Rivaille]

I've said it from the start: Haki has always been a very inconsistent power system, that wasn't really thought through and just seems improvised.

It's really like Oda realized that the logia DFs were too overpowered and that Luffy just had no way to go toe to toe with all of them in a fair fight and then just came up with a second powersystem.

Those things usually tend to create a bit of a mess.

Using one really thought through and consistent powersystem (like Nen in HxH) is way better than coming up with one powersystem and then just bringing up a second additional one, because you realized weaknesses in the first system.

Yep I think Oda should have stay with Mantra, CoC, Breath Of All Thing, and Rukoshiki.

-CoC keeps the same usage
-Mantra keep the same usage
-BOAT is use by everyone and allows you to hit logia by hearing the breath of their element
-Rukoshiki keep the same usage

As it is CoA made Tekkai obsolete and we still don’t know if BOAT is CoA or not.

 

[Zenos7]

Armamemt is hardening. The fans have messed it up. Basically, hardening is what Luffy says. It's a pun based on the face that Koka, or hardening, also means Vulcanization—the process of turning Rubber hard and black. No one else says Hardening. Anyone who wants to disprove this can find a single panel in Chap 1 - 1000 and I'll PayPal them $50 because it don't exist.

koka was mentioned in vergos vivre card

 

[Shisui]

Bro i'm like you, the only thing i don't understand in this whole one piece is the COA stuff haha! lots of varieties, explanations, forms ...
I never analyzed the g4 but i'm probably wrong about luffy g4, sorry

I really hope he doesn't go down this route with CoC.. I am already hearing noises about Shanks having a third level CoC.

Apparently, there is also a barrier Haki which is another form of CoA which he learnt from Hyogoro. These times I thought he learnt Internal destruction from Hyogoro .

Armamemt is hardening. The fans have messed it up. Basically, hardening is what Luffy says. It's a pun based on the face that Koka, or hardening, also means Vulcanization—the process of turning Rubber hard and black. No one else says Hardening. Anyone who wants to disprove this can find a single panel in Chap 1 - 1000 and I'll PayPal them $50 because it don't exist.

So Luffy's G4 is definitely CoA Armament?? cheers for the confirmation.

 

[Dark Hound]

All this lazy mangaka had to do is create a sound specifically for each haki
a character uses CoO- "some sfx"
a character uses any kind of CoA- "some sfx"

This way there would be no arguments if a character used haki at certain moments.

Haki shit is probably the worst power system in shonen.

He literally made CoA visible by drawing it black

Adding an sfx everytime is impractical

 

[comrade]

Same why Red Hawk put Doffy onto his knees making him cough blood pre Gamm Knife, while post Gamma Knife, he said that Luffy's Hawk Bazooka to the stomach is just tickling him. Red Roc caught Kaido off guard; he wasn't expecting it will damage him. Against Kong Gun he was prepared, he knew what was coming. Seems usual that not only characters become stronger in their offensive strength, but also are quickly able to endure more.

Also it might be that Kong Gun made Kaido lose blood.

But the main point really is, Kaido was prepared this time. Like Doffy post GK saying that a Hawk Bazooka to the stomach is tickling him, while Red Hawk against a healhy Doffy made much more impact.

 

[Sanji D Cook]

I think people over analyze haki. Haki is just a tool. The strength of haki depends on the strength and skill of its users.

All the debates about how the scabbards use or didn't use haki and it's affect on Kaido. All the dissection on if the attacks dealt damage. The simple answer is just that the Scabbards were not strong enough to hurt Kaido. The man said it himself, they ain't Oden.

Some people may need to use penetration haki to deal damage To an enemy. Some may only need hardened haki to hurt an enemy. Again it depends on users strength and skill.

 

[duckman]

koka was mentioned in vergos vivre card

No, it wasn't. People on here have said it:

Edit: Just went to have a look at the Vivre Card, it mentions Koka as in the word hardened, but it says "Vergo's body was made super-hard by his power of armament"

 

[HA001]

No, it wasn't. People on here have said it, but Vergo's Vivre card says he has "Choubusou".

yes it was it outright says koka
wheres my money ?

 

[kurwa]

He literally made CoA visible by drawing it black

Adding an sfx everytime is impractical

but that's the point...
there's invisible CoA, which you never see.
there's black CoA, which can easily be confused with black clothing or not seen through black clothing.
there's advanced CoA that is like barrier but somehow it's invisible again and never drawn.

tell me, did Kid use haki against Kaido?
If yes, which haki was it and how can you tell?
if no, why is he holding back against Kaido?
^
these are the problems with Oda's drawing haki shit.
It makes character act retarded and readers question their retardation.

a small sfx would certainly fix this problem. Character can use their standards clothing, weapons..yatatata and we would still be able to tell if they used haki in that scene.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Oda for now doesn't want to separate Luffy from the other 2 captains, he has to give them some relevance. That's why he's nerfing Luffy from now on.

He gave chapter 1000 to Luffy, don't expect him to do anything major until he gets his 1v1 against Kaido.

That's when the adv CoA will become a thing again.

 

[Hiragaro]

I'm just waiting for the Anime to confirm most the basic stuff that should be in the manga.

The anime is not canon and doesn't confirm shit lol

 

[Cinera]

But with Zoro usually he does. The question begs, why the fuck wouldn't Zoro use Haki on a Yonko? That is stupid.

Though it is a bit odd zoro didnt.

Zoro is being careful with his haki usage so that Enma doesn't siphon away all his haki. He hasn't fully mastered it yet.

Alternatively, Zoro is temporarily holding the idiot ball and would later on randomly start using hardening again.

@Doggo.

 

[kurwa]

You know what? This chapter was a perfect example of how stupid Oda portrays haki

Luffy used Future sight but there was no indication for a reader
A character literally needs to yell for no reason what they did in order for reader to understand if haki was used or not.

Now Luffy every time he uses Future sight has to yell "I saw the future but..."

Embarrassing author....

 

[Fuckthis3]

The Haki is better for the Anime at least you clearly can see it f ya if you think otherwise

 

[Sentinel]

You know what? This chapter was a perfect example of how stupid Oda portrays haki

Luffy used Future sight but there was no indication for a reader
A character literally needs to yell for no reason what they did in order for reader to understand if haki was used or not.

Now Luffy every time he uses Future sight has to yell "I saw the future but..."

Embarrassing author....

Well, although I believe that Oda portrays Haki quite good, I do agree that Oda could have drawn this scene with more details - ie. drawing vision of Kaido hitting Luffy, then he dodged it barely which would make Kaido's speed feat even better.

XBC has a lot of these moments in which the MC saw visions of certain attacks - and the moment when a few enemies could still hit him despite the MC seeing the future, it was much more impressive.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

You know what? This chapter was a perfect example of how stupid Oda portrays haki

Luffy used Future sight but there was no indication for a reader
A character literally needs to yell for no reason what they did in order for reader to understand if haki was used or not.

Now Luffy every time he uses Future sight has to yell "I saw the future but..."

Embarrassing author....

Yeah, I agree. Something as simple as a grayish projection of Kaido clubbing Luffy as the future sight and Luffy reacting to it in order to dodge would have been way more attractive to see. It could have helped appreciate Kaido's speed too, for example by drawing the real him moving very, very close to his premonized self.

 

[comrade]

There was no reason for Oda to draw Luffy's future vision, because he had him compliment Kaido's speed anyways. And from now one we can consider Luffy is using FS and it's just Kaido being so fast that he can sometimes land blows.

 

[kenedyfake]

oda is an overrated author when it comes to fights and what encompasses them all.

 

[duckman]

Every WG thread:

Oda sucks.

Zoro vs Sanji.

Admirals vs Yonkou.

Mihawk.