Powers & Abilities Oda is being very one dimensional with Kid’s power

[Ricassian]

he’ll probably use a railgun as one of his ultimate attacks.

 

[Hereforthesalt]

If you truly put Kidd on Law's level of ambition (with all due respect to Law) then you missed something. Kidd has an indomable spirit just like Luffy, it's literally the whole point of being a Conqueror.
Law on the other hand is a D like Luffy, but that doesn't implies being a person with a lot of ambition, more like being born with a cursed existence (referenced on chapeter 996).

Law is referred to by Oda as "the indomitable Law" when he was being blackmailed by Drake and Hawkins. He's also portrayed as someone who will stop at no means to get what he wants, i.e., disregarding the future and being willing to cut down his own crewmates to kill Hawkins if Hawkins didn't cooperate and release his friends. He gave up his own heart so he could stay on Punk Hazard to plot against Joker. Even as a child he climbed through piles of dead bodies just to escape Flevance and was ready to burn the entire world down including bringing on Doflamingo's wrath by stabbing Corazon. Law wanted to die on the battlefield watching Luffy fight Doflamingo because he started the fight and was going to see it to it's conclusion. Law goes about his ambitions in a different way than Luffy, mainly by calculation, but he's every bit as stubborn and selfish as Luffy, not to mention Kid.

Luffy is a physical fighter and look how much he developed his DF, there is no excuse for Oda not to have developed Kid’s DF at all.
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There are magnetic forces in the human body and in the earth itself, he could do so many things by manipulating them rather than do the basic push/pull of metal objects and creating a metal arm.

He should also be able to amplify the magnetic forces in his own body to fly around. There are so many cool things he could do which I have in my head.

I know Oda could do amazing things with Kid if he stopped being lazy about his powers.

If Kid was going to have anything approaching Magneto type powers right now he'd be able to rival Whitebeard. That's ridiculous and not going to happen. His character is also all wrong for refined magnetic manipulation as his design is a glam punk rockstar from a junkyard. He's going to be a metal monster most likely. Kid hasn't gotten a proper fight. Oda will expand on his abilities this arc and he'll be strong but I doubt they're going to be that groundbreaking that soon. Maybe EOS, but even then, Kid's strength focus may be more on Haki. That's what it was about in Udon.

 

[Ricassian]

Law is referred to by Oda as "the indomitable Law" when he was being blackmailed by Drake and Hawkins. He's also portrayed as someone who will stop at no means to get what he wants, i.e., disregarding the future and being willing to cut down his own crewmates to kill Hawkins if Hawkins didn't cooperate and release his friends. He gave up his own heart so he could stay on Punk Hazard to plot against Joker. Even as a child he climbed through piles of dead bodies just to escape Flevance and was ready to burn the entire world down including bringing on Doflamingo's wrath by stabbing Corazon. Law wanted to die on the battlefield watching Luffy fight Doflamingo because he started the fight and was going to see it to it's conclusion. Law goes about his ambitions in a different way than Luffy, mainly by calculation, but he's every bit as stubborn and selfish as Luffy, not to mention Kid.



If Kid was going to have anything approaching Magneto type powers right now he'd be able to rival Whitebeard. That's ridiculous and not going to happen. His character is also all wrong for refined magnetic manipulation as his design is a glam punk rockstar from a junkyard. He's going to be a metal monster most likely. Kid hasn't gotten a proper fight. Oda will expand on his abilities this arc and he'll be strong but I doubt they're going to be that groundbreaking that soon. Maybe EOS, but even then, Kid's strength focus may be more on Haki. That's what it was about in Udon.

You probably mispelled what I said, Law has a lot of points:
- Being the last survivor of an incident similar to Ohara
- Having the D in the name
- Was educated by one of the most important crime families (Doffy saw immedatly potential in him and wanted to make of him his right hand man)
- And the list goes on
However Oda made clear that he's not a Conqueror (which is someone with limitless hunger) but again he is more of a "cursed" character. This is in no way a donwplay for Law, he just has a really different nature from Kidd and Luffy.
But is also safe to say that all 3 of them have one thing in common (leaving D/CoC etc aside): they are DANGEROUS

 

[Yubel]

You think law will betray luffy?

Yes I suspect he has Luffy’s heart from the time he did the surgery on him in Marineford and will use it against him. Apoo even commented on Law not just doing that for no reason.

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

Law is referred to by Oda as "the indomitable Law" when he was being blackmailed by Drake and Hawkins. He's also portrayed as someone who will stop at no means to get what he wants, i.e., disregarding the future and being willing to cut down his own crewmates to kill Hawkins if Hawkins didn't cooperate and release his friends. He gave up his own heart so he could stay on Punk Hazard to plot against Joker. Even as a child he climbed through piles of dead bodies just to escape Flevance and was ready to burn the entire world down including bringing on Doflamingo's wrath by stabbing Corazon. Law wanted to die on the battlefield watching Luffy fight Doflamingo because he started the fight and was going to see it to it's conclusion. Law goes about his ambitions in a different way than Luffy, mainly by calculation, but he's every bit as stubborn and selfish as Luffy, not to mention Kid.

You probably mispelled what I said, Law has a lot of points:
- Being the last survivor of an incident similar to Ohara
- Having the D in the name
- Was educated by one of the most important crime families (Doffy saw immedatly potential in him and wanted to make of him his right hand man)
- And the list goes on
However Oda made clear that he's not a Conqueror (which is someone with limitless hunger) but again he is more of a "cursed" character. This is in no way a donwplay for Law, he just has a really different nature from Kidd and Luffy.
But is also safe to say that all 3 of them have one thing in common (leaving D/CoC etc aside): they are DANGEROUS

This color spread by Oda perfectly illustrates the difference between Kidd and Law when it comes to their portrayal as rivals imo.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Because they were stricken down by him and his men fair and square in the past, Oden meanwhile with Enma wasn't.

Also like, the scabards didn't make him bleed, they just didn't give him any lifelong wounds.

Are you claiming that kaidou doesn't know how to use haki? Also as someone's willpower goes down, so too does all their stats and defense, and as someone is weakened by a rough fight, so too does their defense.

I mean, zoro isn't going to cut kaidou at the start of the fight, so it's kind of a moot point.

You're saying kaido will have two different types of ptsd. The ptsd he had during the scabbard fight will be different from the ptsd he has during the next fight?

So how exactly will Oda differentiate the two ptsd? I mean kaido was freaking out already with the fest ptsd, are you saying he'll just run away with the second ptsd to show that this is the real ptsd? What exactly do you think of a is going to do here? One ptsd didn't help a bunch of commanders do shit to kaido but the next ptsd is going to leave kaido scarred for life by someone weaker then even commanders.

Also kaido knows haki bit he clearly doesn't use it for defence. Hos defence is entirely his df. For you to say that kaido was using haki for defence fighting the scabards, you would have to say the scabbards OVERPOWERED KAIDO'S HAKI. Is that what you want to say? Kaido's haki <<< Scabbard haki?

So no, kaido's defence WITHOUT HAKI is already above multiple commanders and this defence is unaffected by willpower same way Luffy's rubber defence is unaffected whether by willpower
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Yes I suspect he has Luffy’s heart from the time he did the surgery on him in Marineford and will use it against him. Apoo even commented on Law not just doing that for no reason.

@Yubel Lufft never noticed for two years that he doesn't have a heart?

 

[Yubel]

You're saying kaido will have two different types of ptsd. The ptsd he had during the scabbard fight will be different from the ptsd he has during the next fight?

So how exactly will Oda differentiate the two ptsd? I mean kaido was freaking out already with the fest ptsd, are you saying he'll just run away with the second ptsd to show that this is the real ptsd? What exactly do you think of a is going to do here? One ptsd didn't help a bunch of commanders do shit to kaido but the next ptsd is going to leave kaido scarred for life by someone weaker then even commanders.

Also kaido knows haki bit he clearly doesn't use it for defence. Hos defence is entirely his df. For you to say that kaido was using haki for defence fighting the scabards, you would have to say the scabbards OVERPOWERED KAIDO'S HAKI. Is that what you want to say? Kaido's haki <<< Scabbard haki?

So no, kaido's defence WITHOUT HAKI is already above multiple commanders and this defence is unaffected by willpower same way Luffy's rubber defence is unaffected whether by willpower
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@Yubel Lufft never noticed for two years that he doesn't have a heart?

With everything working as usual there is no reason for him to suspect anything, blood is still pumping in his body.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

With everything working as usual there is no reason for him to suspect anything, blood is still pumping in his body.

But he can't feel his heart in his chest. like there's a void in his chest

 

[Yubel]

But he can't feel his heart in his chest. like there's a void in his chest

It’s Luffy, he probably wouldn’t notice and with Law’s fruit you don’t feel like your heart is missing and even if Luffy felt something was off he wouldn’t know what could have possibly happened.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

It’s Luffy, he probably wouldn’t notice and with Law’s fruit you don’t feel like your heart is missing and even if Luffy felt something was off he wouldn’t know what could have possibly happened.

Hehe he. Man you have some wild ideas. Good luck

 

[Shisui]

Rockstar who is a rookie with a bounty of 94 million can beat Kidd?

Just messing about lool...

 

[Hereforthesalt]

This color spread by Oda perfectly illustrates the difference between Kidd and Law when it comes to their portrayal as rivals imo.

This spread has a million possible interpretations. Law and Luffy are on the same bird because they're allied is one that seems likely. Law and Luffy are back to back because they're two sides of the same coin. And so on. Luffy and Kid aren't even competing. Luffy is cheerfully handing Kid an Onigiri and Kid looks pissy as usual.

You probably mispelled what I said, Law has a lot of points:
- Being the last survivor of an incident similar to Ohara
- Having the D in the name
- Was educated by one of the most important crime families (Doffy saw immedatly potential in him and wanted to make of him his right hand man)
- And the list goes on
However Oda made clear that he's not a Conqueror (which is someone with limitless hunger) but again he is more of a "cursed" character. This is in no way a donwplay for Law, he just has a really different nature from Kidd and Luffy.
But is also safe to say that all 3 of them have one thing in common (leaving D/CoC etc aside): they are DANGEROUS

Law clearly has a different nature, as I already stated.

I understand you are a fan of Law. It doesn't matter that someone has CoC or not when it comes to ambition. Conqueror =/= ambition. For instance, Akainu is now the leader of WG and doesn't have Conqueror's. We don't know if someone like Imu has Conqueror's either, and not every Celestial Dragon has it, either, who are termed as 'gods'. Xebec isn't confirmed to have it, either, nor Dragon, nor Garp, who fought on par with Roger. Then there's Mihawk, etc. Royalty like Vivi doesn't have it, and so on. You don't need to have CoC to be one of the best or in the most ambitious position. Conqueror's haki is people of strong will who have a charismatic quality to lead and have others follow, as Mihawk puts it a power to make friends and change minds/hearts. It doesn't mean anything about ambition.

 

[Longleg Larry]

Eh, Killers' DF is better

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

Respect is clearly already there, but competition too.
During all Udon and the naval battle they have been salty at each other. Luffy never saw other SN as rivals, neither Law.
I can put my balls on fire right now that after the war Kidd Pirates will be the only crew to still rapresent a danger for Luffy's dream.

Which war Wano?

 

[mugiwalaw]

He needs to develop his awakening and strenghten his haki, then a wondrous spectacle shall begin in my opinion.

Imagine turning an entire environment into metal, and racking it up to use against an opponent and also with immeasurable force complete with advanced haki. The true definition of power.

nah, his power is magnetism not metal. i would be mad if he can turn something into metal as awakening.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

A rival to Luffy?

A CoC user?

A high bounty?

In 2 years of being in the new world you've achieved a grand total of 0 Ws and multiple Ls including getting your arm eaten by Lucky Roo, while Luffy overshadows you in the span of 4 weeks of being an active pirate again.

Go on. Tell your peers in the worst gen what kind of fraud you really are.

Usless
Captain
Midd!!!

What are you talking about it was the monkey
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Had the highest bountry pre timeskip and beginning of post timeskip of the supernovas and he was carrying the same amount of stones Luffy was carrying in Udon with one arm.

Shaky stated that was only because of his brutality
If your using the stones arguement then Zoro is equal to Luffy because of the fight on whiskey peak.
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If Kid stood up and then fell down, that's already better than Luffy did.

In the end, "till they couldn't fight anymore" implies that he kept standing up. Honestly we know next to nothing about Kid except that Shanks took his arm. I'm expecting some impressive feats from him, Hawkins, and Drake when they finally get into the big fights.

The monkey took his arm
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They were lowly scumbag bandits who were kidnapping a kid.
Kid would show up, go "fight me", and Shanks would fight.

I mean Kid would have been a top commander leveled character, so either he or like ben beckman or lucky roo would have to face Kid.
I don't see Kid showing up, challenging Shanks to a fight, then Shanks sending someone else out to fight, especially if Kid wasn't doing anything like taking hostages. Shanks would absolutely take challenges.

Also there is the theory that Shanks is Kid's father.

I think Kid defeated some allied crew members of Shanks, broke into the territory, challenged Shanks, Shanks accepted, 1 v 1, no crew members fighting, Shanks crushed him and took of his arm, Killer and the others got ready to fight, Kid went "no, we're leaving" and didn't instigate things further, then took resources and stuff from Big Mom and eventually formed the alliance so that he could go back and defeat Shanks, then Kaidou showed up instead.

Oh and wasn't it implied that Kid infiltrated whole cake island and took a copy of the ponyglyph from big mom?

No, beckman couldn't defeat Kid, Killer, Heat, and Wire. Ben Beckman is reasonably the weakest yonkou first mate based on how kizaru essentially shat on him like he was trash.

Killer is around Zoro leveled, so just below yonkou top commander leveled, Kid is higher end top commander level/yonkou first mate leveled. Heat and Wire are probably like middle trio leveled.

Usopp could solo heat and wire if given the right preparation.
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They were lowly scumbag bandits who were kidnapping a kid.
Kid would show up, go "fight me", and Shanks would fight.

I mean Kid would have been a top commander leveled character, so either he or like ben beckman or lucky roo would have to face Kid.
I don't see Kid showing up, challenging Shanks to a fight, then Shanks sending someone else out to fight, especially if Kid wasn't doing anything like taking hostages. Shanks would absolutely take challenges.

Also there is the theory that Shanks is Kid's father.

I think Kid defeated some allied crew members of Shanks, broke into the territory, challenged Shanks, Shanks accepted, 1 v 1, no crew members fighting, Shanks crushed him and took of his arm, Killer and the others got ready to fight, Kid went "no, we're leaving" and didn't instigate things further, then took resources and stuff from Big Mom and eventually formed the alliance so that he could go back and defeat Shanks, then Kaidou showed up instead.

Oh and wasn't it implied that Kid infiltrated whole cake island and took a copy of the ponyglyph from big mom?

No, beckman couldn't defeat Kid, Killer, Heat, and Wire. Ben Beckman is reasonably the weakest yonkou first mate based on how kizaru essentially shat on him like he was trash.

Killer is around Zoro leveled, so just below yonkou top commander leveled, Kid is higher end top commander level/yonkou first mate leveled. Heat and Wire are probably like middle trio leveled.

Usopp could solo heat and wire if given the right preparation.
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They were lowly scumbag bandits who were kidnapping a kid.
Kid would show up, go "fight me", and Shanks would fight.

I mean Kid would have been a top commander leveled character, so either he or like ben beckman or lucky roo would have to face Kid.
I don't see Kid showing up, challenging Shanks to a fight, then Shanks sending someone else out to fight, especially if Kid wasn't doing anything like taking hostages. Shanks would absolutely take challenges.

Also there is the theory that Shanks is Kid's father.

I think Kid defeated some allied crew members of Shanks, broke into the territory, challenged Shanks, Shanks accepted, 1 v 1, no crew members fighting, Shanks crushed him and took of his arm, Killer and the others got ready to fight, Kid went "no, we're leaving" and didn't instigate things further, then took resources and stuff from Big Mom and eventually formed the alliance so that he could go back and defeat Shanks, then Kaidou showed up instead.

Oh and wasn't it implied that Kid infiltrated whole cake island and took a copy of the ponyglyph from big mom?

No, beckman couldn't defeat Kid, Killer, Heat, and Wire. Ben Beckman is reasonably the weakest yonkou first mate based on how kizaru essentially shat on him like he was trash.

Killer is around Zoro leveled, so just below yonkou top commander leveled, Kid is higher end top commander level/yonkou first mate leveled. Heat and Wire are probably like middle trio leveled.

Usopp could solo heat and wire if given the right preparation.

I mean Marco > Ben Beckman

Anyway the point is that the worst gen supernova were STRONGER than the strawhats pre timeskip. The strawhats got a bigger power up but the supernovas still got power ups, and it overall evened out to make the supernovas rivalish of luffy, but overall weaker. Like capone can take g4 hits in big father, and probably outlast a few rounds of it, but would ultimately lose while putting up a decent fight.

I mean Urouge and Drake were kind of implied to be confident enough to solo a pacifista, and were ultimately only hit by lasers that they couldn't aim dodge (drake thought he bit into it's head and it was done and got lasered while biting down on it's head, apoo smashed it up a lot and then a laser came out of the smoke to hit urouge when urouge couldn't see it. Drake only fell to a knee for one panel and then got up ready to fight, and urouge was down for like 2 pages and then was up, ready to fight.

Then Kizaru stomped them, but like, what can you expect from them at that stage? Of course they werne't admiral leveled back then, or even close.

Honestly I think kaidou will be weakened at that state + will have a willpower hit because he sees enma and gets slight ptsd, then kaidou will one hit him. Killer could probably replicate it if he had a scythe that cut kaidou in the past and kaidou was weakened + had ptsd.
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You laugh, until Rockstar is confirmed to be Rocks. He was literally willing to solo the whitebeard pirates including Whitebeard ;)

English dub lines:
"Just give me a little more time, I promise, I can string this guy out" (Rockstar to Shanks, talking about Whitebeard)

"Whatever it says must be important, or he wouldn't have chosen me to deliver it"

"But it's not like it's my first pirate gig, I've been around for a while"

Rockstar is rocks. You actually believe that?

 

[HopOnTheHype]

This spread has a million possible interpretations. Law and Luffy are on the same bird because they're allied is one that seems likely. Law and Luffy are back to back because they're two sides of the same coin. And so on. Luffy and Kid aren't even competing. Luffy is cheerfully handing Kid an Onigiri and Kid looks pissy as usual.




Law clearly has a different nature, as I already stated.

I understand you are a fan of Law. It doesn't matter that someone has CoC or not when it comes to ambition. Conqueror =/= ambition. For instance, Akainu is now the leader of WG and doesn't have Conqueror's. We don't know if someone like Imu has Conqueror's either, and not every Celestial Dragon has it, either, who are termed as 'gods'. Xebec isn't confirmed to have it, either, nor Dragon, nor Garp, who fought on par with Roger. Then there's Mihawk, etc. Royalty like Vivi doesn't have it, and so on. You don't need to have CoC to be one of the best or in the most ambitious position. Conqueror's haki is people of strong will who have a charismatic quality to lead and have others follow, as Mihawk puts it a power to make friends and change minds/hearts. It doesn't mean anything about ambition.

CoC isn't ambition, it's charisma/leadership in a powerful form. Zoro doesn't have it cuz he's an introvert. Akainu would have it cuz he's an intense leader. Imu will CLERARLY have it.

Celestrial Dragons nowadays are not the same as they were back in the void century, they are mainly spoiled brats now who have no cares in the world, most of them won't have it cuz it's not a birth power like the voice of all which is hereditary based, or D probably which also is I imagine, CoC is about the individual's temperament

Vivi might get it eventually.

Rocks clearly had CoC, he literally brought in a bunch of CoC users.

Dragon clearly has CoC

Garp clearly has CoC, heck, he is more confirmed to have CoC than Luffy is, and we know Luffy has it.

Mihawk is an introvert, therefore no CoC

Big Dick Orlumbus has it though, as he should ;)
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What are you talking about it was the monkey
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Shaky stated that was only because of his brutality
If your using the stones arguement then Zoro is equal to Luffy because of the fight on whiskey peak.
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The monkey took his arm
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Usopp could solo heat and wire if given the right preparation.
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Usopp could solo heat and wire if given the right preparation.
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Usopp could solo heat and wire if given the right preparation.

Rockstar is rocks. You actually believe that?

The "kid only had a higher bounty cuz of killing" argument was always just fanfiction that people started to treat as canon. Luffy's bounty was inflated in countless ways like declaring war on the marines directly, attacking enies lobby, attacking crocodile (he didn't get credit for it, but his bounty raised to reflect it), etc etc. Essentially Luffy was doing a lot of crazy stuff that inflated HIS bounty. Also we know that Kid doesn't just randomly kill villagers and shit, he kills people who are directly making fun of him for his pirate king dream, or who do something against his crew.

You're literally just shit-posting by saying usopp could beat heat and wire, sorry not sorry.

The rockstar is rocks thing is a meme, use your brain please.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

CoC isn't ambition, it's charisma/leadership in a powerful form. Zoro doesn't have it cuz he's an introvert. Akainu would have it cuz he's an intense leader. Imu will CLERARLY have it.

Celestrial Dragons nowadays are not the same as they were back in the void century, they are mainly spoiled brats now who have no cares in the world, most of them won't have it cuz it's not a birth power like the voice of all which is hereditary based, or D probably which also is I imagine, CoC is about the individual's temperament

Vivi might get it eventually.

Rocks clearly had CoC, he literally brought in a bunch of CoC users.

Dragon clearly has CoC

Garp clearly has CoC, heck, he is more confirmed to have CoC than Luffy is, and we know Luffy has it.

Mihawk is an introvert, therefore no CoC

Big Dick Orlumbus has it though, as he should ;)
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The "kid only had a higher bounty cuz of killing" argument was always just fanfiction that people started to treat as canon. Luffy's bounty was inflated in countless ways like declaring war on the marines directly, attacking enies lobby, attacking crocodile (he didn't get credit for it, but his bounty raised to reflect it), etc etc. Essentially Luffy was doing a lot of crazy stuff that inflated HIS bounty. Also we know that Kid doesn't just randomly kill villagers and shit, he kills people who are directly making fun of him for his pirate king dream, or who do something against his crew.

You're literally just shit-posting by saying usopp could beat heat and wire, sorry not sorry.

The rockstar is rocks thing is a meme, use your brain please.

Then we goes rayleigh have it hes not a captain and Zoro isn't introvert so don't know what you mean by that.
Also I'm not sure where you got the idea that it was Charisma. Hāo in Hāoshoku haki means conquering or warring King it is about ambition haoshoku haji litterly means ambition of the conquering King. Zoro needs to conquer all other swordsmen to get the title of WSS
Bounty isn't good indication of strength regardless
Yes I know I should have add killer to make it fair
I can't tell if your trolling or not with most of your postd

 

[Zenos7]

I can't tell if your trolling or not with most of your postd

i fear not.

 

[Desolate Smaug]

Kid is an idiot just like Luffy. In his mind he probably thinks bigger is better. Magnetism has a lot of potential but no one has ever accused Kid of being a genius so his usage of the power will reflect his personality. If he was smart he would probably even be using his fruit to fly around.