Current Events Oda is relying on oldschool villains and characters

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Herrera95

#45
I think creatively everyone just created better things in the 90s 😎 so characters created in the 90s by Oda like Shanks,Dragon,Mihawk etc. are just superior
One Piece started in 1995. So he just had 5 years of good characteres and then 20 of bad ones?

I'm not buying it. We had plenty good characteres after that. At post-timeskip they are rarer and since Wano they almost doesn't exist.
 
#46
One Piece started in 1995. So he just had 5 years of good characteres and then 20 of bad ones?

I'm not buying it. We had plenty good characteres after that. At post-timeskip they are rarer and since Wano they almost doesn't exist.
It started in 1997 but still,design-wise he was better in the pre-TS but i guess Doflamingo's characterization is something he would have not done pre-TS so thats an improvement by him
 
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Herrera95

#47
It started in 1997 but still,design-wise he was better in the pre-TS but i guess Doflamingo's characterization is something he would have not done pre-TS so thats an improvement by him
Yes right, 1997.

I didn't got your line on Doflamingo. He was introduced pre-timeskip. He was in Marineford remember? And we saw him way before when he and Kuma arrived at Marineford along with other Shichibukais. I don't remember when it was exactly probably after Ace was arrested so between Thriller Bark and Sabaody I guess? Or maybe a little later?
 
#48
Yes right, 1997.

I didn't got your line on Doflamingo. He was introduced pre-timeskip. He was in Marineford remember? And we saw him way before when he and Kuma arrived at Marineford along with other Shichibukais. I don't remember when it was exactly probably after Ace was arrested so between Thriller Bark and Sabaody I guess? Or maybe a little later?
Doffy and Kuma were introduced way earlier. It was after Crocodile's defeat.
What he means is Doffy's character depth.
 
#49
Seems that you didn't understood what I'm talking about.

Oda is specifically choosing to use old characters back into history because the new ones he is creating all sucks while the old ones were well developed and he doesn't need to care about this since people will automatically like them.
Just sounds like head cannon to me, I like how your so confident about your theory that has no proof.
 
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Herrera95

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Just sounds like head cannon to me, I like how your so confident about your theory that has no proof.
How is that headcannon if it is on manga? He is taking back a lot of pre-timeskip characters.

Forger about Mihawk and Shanks that still had to be on story anyway. Same goes to Garp and Dragon.

The whole Cross Guild doesn't need to be there. Elbaf Giants we met on Little Garden. Vivi. Cobra. The whole CP-0(former CP-9).
 
#51
I don't think he is relying on them.

Such character had their importance foreshadow a long time ago, it's was very clear he would use them.

No one believed Kaido and BM would had any relevance in the overall grand plot, they're just just strong opponents, that's where their worth end after defeat.

Not everyone pre-TS is endgame, but OG admirals, the Warlords, those characters had always been way more important with their lore than arc villain n#290 Kaido and BM.

He is bringing old characters exactly when he wanted to bring them, not because popularity demands.

Oda does not allow popularity to guide this writing, he has done many choices that people shit over, and he does not care, Oda does what he wants.
 
#53
I don't think he is relying on them.

Such character had their importance foreshadow a long time ago, it's was very clear he would use them.

No one believed Kaido and BM would had any relevance in the overall grand plot, they're just just strong opponents, that's where their worth end after defeat.

Not everyone pre-TS is endgame, but OG admirals, the Warlords, those characters had always been way more important with their lore than arc villain n#290 Kaido and BM.

He is bringing old characters exactly when he wanted to bring them, not because popularity demands.

Oda does not allow popularity to guide this writing, he has done many choices that people shit over, and he does not care, Oda does what he wants.
Lol Admirals are blueno for Luffy. Imu and WG are final villains :suresure::suresure:
 
#58
This is dumb, he introduced shanks/midhawk/blackbeard early and saved them. The very idea from the beginning was for them to be end game characters. He's not 'relying' on them as though he just ran out of ideas, that's literally how he wrote them.

Not to mention we have other new WG fighters Im/Gorosei that he has introduced.
 
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Herrera95

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No one believed Kaido and BM would had any relevance in the overall grand plot, they're just just strong opponents, that's where their worth end after defeat.
Talk about yourself. Big Mom and Kaido has much more relevance because of Rocks than any of the pre-timeskip villains you are claiming to have any relevance. All I can think of is Crocodile because Ivankov said to know his secret. WTF this secret would be? Another Tenryuubito like Doflamingo? That's the reason Doflamingo told him they should team up?

Not everyone pre-TS is endgame, but OG admirals, the Warlords, those characters had always been way more important with their lore than arc villain n#290 Kaido and BM.
I specifically said that I wasn't talking about those characteres that didn't had a finished story. Like Admirals, some Warlords like Mihawk etc. Others like Crocodile and Moriah already finished their plot in One Piece.

Kaido and Big Mom had much more time for themselves for you to claim they were not important to the lore. And we yet have to know Rocks story.
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He is bringing old characters exactly when he wanted to bring them, not because popularity demands.

Oda does not allow popularity to guide this writing, he has done many choices that people shit over, and he does not care, Oda does what he wants.
He is often doing choices of his own and dropping One Piece popularity that's why he has to do those things to bring popularity back. If any of what you say was true he could be easily creating new characteres instead of re-using old ones.
 
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Talk about yourself. Big Mom and Kaido has much more relevance because of Rocks than any of the pre-timeskip villains you are claiming to have any relevance. All I can think of is Crocodile because Ivankov said to know his secret. WTF this secret would be? Another Tenryuubito like Doflamingo? That's the reason Doflamingo told him they should team up?


I specifically said that I wasn't talking about those characteres that didn't had a finished story. Like Admirals, some Warlords like Mihawk etc. Others like Crocodile and Moriah already finished their plot in One Piece.

Kaido and Big Mom had much more time for themselves for you to claim they were not important to the lore. And we yet have to know Rocks story.
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He is often doing choices of his own and dropping One Piece popularity that's why he has to do those things to bring popularity back. If any of what you say was true he could be easily creating new characteres instead of re-using old ones.
Win post.
 
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