Character Discussion Oda made a mistake when he created Akainu

#83
If you are talking about lethality then yes akainu is the highest. But I am talking about plot. Akainu's magma will fail to kill anyone when plot prevents it like curiel
In that case the plot would just prevent it from making direct contact in the first place, just like Curiel’s offscreen encounter.

When Akainu makes direct contact with a target onscreen, there are always consequences. There’s no room for laughs and giggles, unlike the Rocks duo.
 
#84
i don't know if u know this my admiral bros , but Luffy fighting in Gear 5th against Akainu gonna turn into a joke ; That will be a great shame for ur fandom like how Kaido got treated in the end
There is gonna be some toon force no one can deny that, but Crydo has always been a goofy ass character with countless suicide attempts and the mental stability of a 10 year old kid, dude literally burst out crying after Meme kicked the bucket 💀

Oda is a clown but he did say that Bunta (or whomever the actor Akainu is based on) is one of his favorites and that he will draw him well. We can only hope thats true lol
 
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Herrera95

#85
Imagine Akainu met Rayleigh instead of Kizaru, the old man would literally be toast now lmao
The only reason Rayleigh didn't harmed anyone at Sabaody was because that guy was Kizaru. Akainu wouldn't made to Marineford if he went on Kizaru place.
How else would you control a character who fought with an army of competent commanders and 1 warlord
The only competent commanders were Vista and Marco. All others were fodders. And the warlord you are talking about is Crocodile that lost to Rookie Hakiless Luffy? Yeah Oda boosted him a lot at Marineford to clash with Mihawk and Doflamingo but he still sucks.
 
#86
There is gonna be some toon force no one can deny that, but Crydo has always been a goofy ass character with countless suicide attempts and the mental stability of a 10 year old kid, dude literally burst out crying after Meme kicked the bucket 💀l
I'm gonna murder your sibling and when you break down in tears due to the person you've known since childhood dying I'm gonna laugh at you.
That's how you sound rn.
 
#87
There is gonna be some toon force no one can deny that, but Crydo has always been a goofy ass character with countless suicide attempts and the mental stability of a 10 year old kid, dude literally burst out crying after Meme kicked the bucket 💀

Oda is a clown but he did say that Bunta (or whomever the actor Akainu is based on) is one of his favorites and that he will draw him well. We can only hope thats true lol
despite that , Kaido showed a great personnality outside those crying moments , but what killed his character is those toon forces which Akainu would also get if he fights Luffy
 
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Formerly Seth

#88
He literally can't contain someone of this caliber in his shitty manga. He has no idea how to implement this character in his series and decided to keep him outta heat until the time comes for multiple character to gank his ass or Goofy obtains some godly power.

He'll still have to nerf the dude because there's no other way around it. Imagine Akainu met Rayleigh instead of Kizaru, the old man would literally be toast now lmao

How else would you control a character who fought with an army of competent commanders and 1 warlord, while still majorly holding back not to destroy the island, and he still did a number on them, and that's even after casually fucking up Whitebeard after he snuck him

Literally the worst choice Oda did is creating an actual good character
Akainu before becoming Fleet Admiral:

- Nuking islands.
- Chasing Yonko who shits his pants hearing Akainu is coming.
- Overall active on the seas.


Akainu now:

RESOURCES NOT NUFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#90
That just emphasizes the point since Oda couldn’t even show Curiel getting hit on screen. He left it open so it could be even the mere side effect or proximity to an attack that took out Curiel, who wasn’t even his target and just a gnat he was trying to get past.

You won’t see a full page spread of Akainu bashing someone directly in the head with intention to kill like Kaido & Kinemon, and have that victim farting around moments later.
You're like the only person that gets this concept.
 
#91
Is that why Oda openly said Kaido>Red Dog in SBS and Red Dog's equal in strength become an underling to BB not even partners?
I believe that’s one of the reasons that certain Yonko fans are so terrified of him.

In just 30 chapters and his first introduction, Akainu accomplished much more than the Rocks duo that 150 chapters was wasted on.

Oda made a joke of the lethality of those 2 Yonko, while direct contact with Akainu is no laughing matter. No victim would be running around farting with a direct hit to the head from Akainu.

Just getting brushed by an attack from Akainu left the Main Character permanently scarred…even with a Warlord acting as a meat shield.
Apples to oranges.

Lakainu's thing is Magma DF, not being durability freak like Kaido and Big mom. Not every character will have same stats that would be like assuming Red Dog and Yellow Monkey have the same speed.

While Lakainu's AP might be comparable (essentially isn't) his durability is not. Shichibukai BB showed a better durability and stamina than Lakainu vs. WB, he took 2 clean shots same as Red Dog but BB kept attacking, let alone Kaido and Big mom.

Thats also why Oda highlighted King Punch by using Yonko's durability by saying ''Even''. Didn't include Admirals to that.

That just emphasizes the point since Oda couldn’t even show Curiel getting hit on screen. He left it open so it could be even the mere side effect or proximity to an attack that took out Curiel, who wasn’t even his target and just a gnat he was trying to get past.

You won’t see a full page spread of Akainu bashing someone directly in the head with intention to kill like Kaido & Kinemon, and have that victim farting around moments later.
Lakainu was so happy defeating random low level Commander Curiel he was screaming with passion after seeing Curiel get hit by magma.

Same thing happened to Ivankov + Inazuma, Lakainu fought them and they didn't even lose any limbs. So stop making up excuses.

Lakainu needed Enel vs Luffy estique DF advantage vs. Ace, + when Ace was incredibly nerfed + another cheapshot while trying to shield himself for Luffy in that very nerfed state with his back so he could finally die due to the culmination of all these 3 factors.

Kaido kills Guernica, Izo kills Maha, DFless BB kills 4th division Thatch, more examples can be made.

Akainu before becoming Fleet Admiral:

- Nuking islands.
- Chasing Yonko who shits his pants hearing Akainu is coming.
- Overall active on the seas.


Akainu now:

RESOURCES NOT NUFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.
BB wasn't a Yonko when he decided to retreat, and when he had no intention to fight in the first place, BB was waiting for a deal, the deal was off and he moved on.

Lakainu retreated vs. a Nerfed Marco when he had intention to fight already, momentarily tactical movements doesn't prove any superiority.

We've seen that WB retreated vs Random Marines and didn't attack Kaido on Wano.

Not only vs. Nerfed Marco, same Red Dog didn't attack Saint Shanks, and also retreated again vs. Nerfed WB 2 times, first when WB had heart attack after hitting him with magma, Red Dog moved back and random Marines attacked WB instead of him.

In the second, Red Dog was either KOed with 2 shots only, or was hiding from WB under the ground.

I don't see any change at all.
 
F

Formerly Seth

#92
BB wasn't a Yonko when he decided to retreat, and when he had no intention to fight in the first place, BB was waiting for a deal, the deal was off and he moved on.
He got a Yonko title after defeating remnants of the WB pirates which were led by Marco who is a weakling for BB.

The deal was off because Akainu was coming, Blackbeard wanted none of this smoke. Let's say BB doesn't have to die, but everyone else would. No one in BB's crew at the time could oppose Akainu in any capacity especially since Kuzan wasn't there yet.

Blackbeard would lose his crew, assuming he would survive you can still say he was afraid of what is to come with Akainu going rampage on them.

Lakainu retreated vs. a Nerfed Marco when he had intention to fight already, momentarily tactical movements doesn't prove any superiority.
I'm not interested in Marineford power scaling. Sorry.

We've seen that WB retreated vs Random Marines and didn't attack Kaido on Wano.
WB was a soft bear. We all know this.

Not only vs. Nerfed Marco, same Red Dog didn't attack Saint Shanks, and also retreated again vs. Nerfed WB 2 times, first when WB had heart attack after hitting him with magma, Red Dog moved back and random Marines attacked WB instead of him.

In the second, Red Dog was either KOed with 2 shots only, or was hiding from WB under the ground.
Again Marineford power scaling is something I'm not interested in. Not only Marines but a shit ton of Pirates got done dirty there. Why fall into that endless loop again.
 
#93
Is that why Oda openly said Kaido>Red Dog in SBS and Red Dog's equal in strength become an underling to BB not even partners?

Apples to oranges.

Lakainu's thing is Magma DF, not being durability freak like Kaido and Big mom. Not every character will have same stats that would be like assuming Red Dog and Yellow Monkey have the same speed.

While Lakainu's AP might be comparable (essentially isn't) his durability is not. Shichibukai BB showed a better durability and stamina than Lakainu vs. WB, he took 2 clean shots same as Red Dog but BB kept attacking, let alone Kaido and Big mom.

Thats also why Oda highlighted King Punch by using Yonko's durability by saying ''Even''. Didn't include Admirals to that.

Lakainu was so happy defeating random low level Commander Curiel he was screaming with passion after seeing Curiel get hit by magma.

Same thing happened to Ivankov + Inazuma, Lakainu fought them and they didn't even lose any limbs. So stop making up excuses.

Lakainu needed Enel vs Luffy estique DF advantage vs. Ace, + when Ace was incredibly nerfed + another cheapshot while trying to shield himself for Luffy in that very nerfed state with his back so he could finally die due to the culmination of all these 3 factors.

Kaido kills Guernica, Izo kills Maha, DFless BB kills 4th division Thatch, more examples can be made.


BB wasn't a Yonko when he decided to retreat, and when he had no intention to fight in the first place, BB was waiting for a deal, the deal was off and he moved on.

Lakainu retreated vs. a Nerfed Marco when he had intention to fight already, momentarily tactical movements doesn't prove any superiority.

We've seen that WB retreated vs Random Marines and didn't attack Kaido on Wano.

Not only vs. Nerfed Marco, same Red Dog didn't attack Saint Shanks, and also retreated again vs. Nerfed WB 2 times, first when WB had heart attack after hitting him with magma, Red Dog moved back and random Marines attacked WB instead of him.

In the second, Red Dog was either KOed with 2 shots only, or was hiding from WB under the ground.

I don't see any change at all.
Damn. No one can answer admirals fans like you do :myman:
 
#94
Is that why Oda openly said Kaido>Red Dog in SBS and Red Dog's equal in strength become an underling to BB not even partners?

Apples to oranges.

Lakainu's thing is Magma DF, not being durability freak like Kaido and Big mom. Not every character will have same stats that would be like assuming Red Dog and Yellow Monkey have the same speed.

While Lakainu's AP might be comparable (essentially isn't) his durability is not. Shichibukai BB showed a better durability and stamina than Lakainu vs. WB, he took 2 clean shots same as Red Dog but BB kept attacking, let alone Kaido and Big mom.

Thats also why Oda highlighted King Punch by using Yonko's durability by saying ''Even''. Didn't include Admirals to that.

Lakainu was so happy defeating random low level Commander Curiel he was screaming with passion after seeing Curiel get hit by magma.

Same thing happened to Ivankov + Inazuma, Lakainu fought them and they didn't even lose any limbs. So stop making up excuses.

Lakainu needed Enel vs Luffy estique DF advantage vs. Ace, + when Ace was incredibly nerfed + another cheapshot while trying to shield himself for Luffy in that very nerfed state with his back so he could finally die due to the culmination of all these 3 factors.

Kaido kills Guernica, Izo kills Maha, DFless BB kills 4th division Thatch, more examples can be made.


BB wasn't a Yonko when he decided to retreat, and when he had no intention to fight in the first place, BB was waiting for a deal, the deal was off and he moved on.

Lakainu retreated vs. a Nerfed Marco when he had intention to fight already, momentarily tactical movements doesn't prove any superiority.

We've seen that WB retreated vs Random Marines and didn't attack Kaido on Wano.

Not only vs. Nerfed Marco, same Red Dog didn't attack Saint Shanks, and also retreated again vs. Nerfed WB 2 times, first when WB had heart attack after hitting him with magma, Red Dog moved back and random Marines attacked WB instead of him.

In the second, Red Dog was either KOed with 2 shots only, or was hiding from WB under the ground.

I don't see any change at all.
Unfortunately for you, Kaido couldn’t even kill Guernica who had already been stabbed through by Drake, and with special focus given to it too.

Guernica had the luxury of of watching Nika laugh and pulling out his camera to take a candid shot to send to his pals.
He wouldn’t have the luxury of a head to even take pictures with if that were Akinu hitting it with as much fanfare as Kaido.

Whether you like it or not, Kaido had nearly 5 times the number of chapters to fail to make as much of a lasting impression on the protagonists as Akainu.
 
#95
Unfortunately for you, Kaido couldn’t even kill Guernica who had already been stabbed through by Drake, and with special focus given to it too.

Guernica had the luxury of of watching Nika laugh and pulling out his camera to take a candid shot to send to his pals.
Whether you like it or not, Kaido had nearly 5 times the number of chapters to fail to make as much of a lasting impression on the protagonists than Akainu.
A question for you. Do you think CP0's shigan is more powerful than Kaido's attack?
 
#96
Unfortunately for you, Kaido couldn’t even kill Guernica who had already been stabbed through by Drake, and with special focus given to it too.

Guernica had the luxury of of watching Nika laugh and pulling out his camera to take a candid shot to send to his pals.
Whether you like it or not, Kaido had nearly 5 times the number of chapters to fail to make as much of a lasting impression on the protagonists than Akainu.
Guernica didn't survive smooth brain.
 
Its for plot. You and I both know about it. CP0 are not even confirmed to have adv haki mind you.
Everything is pretty much for plot, so that’s not saying much.
They are still the cards we got dealt with.

It’s unfortunate for those who love Kaido, but Oda decided to make a disgrace of the consequences of getting hit by him.

Some just have the short-sightedness of bringing up Kaido in that specific area, just because of their bizarre hatred of the Admirals.

Credit where credit is due should exist regardless of personal feelings for characters.
 
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