Speculations Odas Problem with making Zoros fights somewhat thrilling when the Opponent is not on his lvl=Lucci (example: Zoro vs Killer)

[Koro]

I'd not call it a problem since it was expected that he won't 1-1 with Admiral - Emperor until Luffy reach 4B range. So i did expect that he will fight a char:
- YC1 high-mid diff
- YC2 mid diff
- YC3 mid-low diff

Thus, in the next fight againts YC1, he can mid-low diff. Or in another word, "he is ready 1-1 with Mihawk.

He should be tired of YC-ish like with Kaku

Spoiler: 1072 page 15

while warns Himself

Spoiler: like he warned Luffy at Punk Hazard: 678

so, he must have understand by himself that he should not be playing with a mere Commander YC3-YC1 anymore

replace Ryukugyu with Zoro but don't assume the same outcome

 

[Admiral Mou Bu]

I'd not call it a problem since it was expected that he won't 1-1 with Admiral - Emperor until Luffy reach 4B range. So i did expect that he will fight a char:
- YC1 high-mid diff
- YC2 mid diff
- YC3 mid-low diff

Thus, in the next fight againts YC1, he can mid-low diff. Or in another word, "he is ready 1-1 with Mihawk.

He should be tired of YC-ish like with Kaku

Spoiler: 1072 page 15

while warns Himself

Spoiler: like he warned Luffy at Punk Hazard: 678

so, he must have understand by himself that he should not be playing with a mere Commander YC3-YC1 anymore

Zoro is literally a "mere Commander" himself. Why should a Commander lose face if another Commander would get the best of him? Greenbull talked about his rank, not himself in specific.

 

[Mr.Baj1o]

Its a classic hostage situation nerf about to happen. Luffy will begin taking his kizaru fight to the next level when lucci will parade a broken and beaten zoro around and threaten to finish him off if luffy doesn't surrender. Then luffy will have his yonko moment where he shocks the world.

Zoro is literally a "mere Commander" himself. Why should a Commander lose face if another Commander would get the best of him? Greenbull talked about his rank, not himself in specific.

When you beat a YC1 whos stronger than Katakuri and Marco with just 3 CoC Hits you are clearly above Commanders lmao. Stop powerscaling it aint for everyone

 

[Durableguy]

Mou bu was the guy....who when even Lee conceded certain fake scans were in fact fake...kept arguing they were real.

There are people with biases...then there Mou bu.

 

[Admiral Mou Bu]

When you beat a YC1 whos stronger than Katakuri and Marco with just 3 CoC Hits you are clearly above Commanders lmao. Stop powerscaling it aint for everyone

1) Stop acting King is factually stronger than Marco and Kata... While Kata may be well possible (still arguable), Marco has a stronger portrayal - especially due to Marco fighting and dominating King and Queen simoulataneously.

But lets not go there, I just wanna say stop acting like its a clear fact.

2) Even after Awakened CoC, King and Zoro were clearly fighting equally. If anything King was even still slightly superior in their brawls. Zoro admitted he doesnt have much stamina left and was huffing and puffing all the time. King clearly cornered him.

Just cause Oda didnt want to waste more chapters on their fight and decided to let them go with their finishing moves at each other fairly early, that doesnt mean it wasnt a close and equal fight. King couldve potentially won if he fought smarter, not opening his defense, brawling and mauling Zoro slowly. It was obvious that Zoro has a higher DC, that doesnt mean he's much stronger tho.

Zoro aint above Yc1 yet.

Mou bu was the guy....who when even Lee conceded certain fake scans were in fact fake...kept arguing they were real.

There are people with biases...then there Mou bu.

Funny how till this day no one was able to proof anything. I dont understand why Lee conceded, probably cause he was tired from that Thread.

The only one who claimed a scan which would take at least half a day to fake that good (highly unlikely someone did that for such an irrelevant fact/outcome) to be fake was sandman who 1) was not able to provide a simple proof (a scan from the "real" page) and pulled the trust me bro and 2) rowed back in one of his Tweets where he doubted the translation (everyone with a little brain should realize thats fishy af, why would he talk about the translation of a scan he considers fake himself).

So stop acting like I was wrong in that Thread. I couldnt care less if that scan was fake, but one gotta proof that its fake if there are clear pictures of it. If its fake that means someone sat there for an insane amount of hours just to edit such a fake page and then print the page on a magazine like material and an entire magazine as well just to make the photo look real. Stop ridiculing yourself.

 

[Durableguy]

1) Stop acting King is factually stronger than Marco and Kata... While Kata may be well possible (still arguable), Marco has a stronger portrayal - especially due to Marco fighting and dominating King and Queen simoulataneously.

But lets not go there, I just wanna say stop acting like its a clear fact.

2) Even after Awakened CoC, King and Zoro were clearly fighting equally. If anything King was even still slightly superior in their brawls. Zoro admitted he doesnt have much stamina left and was huffing and puffing all the time. King clearly cornered him.

Just cause Oda didnt want to waste more chapters on their fight and decided to let them go with their finishing moves at each other fairly early, that doesnt mean it wasnt a close and equal fight. King couldve potentially won if he fought smarter, not opening his defense, brawling and mauling Zoro slowly. It was obvious that Zoro has a higher DC, that doesnt mean he's much stronger tho.

Zoro aint above Yc1 yet.



Funny how till this day no one was able to proof anything. I dont understand why Lee conceded, probably cause he was tired from that Thread.

The only one who claimed a scan which would take at least half a day to fake that good (highly unlikely someone did that for such an irrelevant fact/outcome) to be fake was sandman who 1) was not able to provide a simple proof (a scan from the "real" page) and pulled the trust me bro and 2) rowed back in one of his Tweets where he doubted the translation (everyone with a little brain should realize thats fishy af, why would he talk about the translation of a scan he considers fake himself).

So stop acting like I was wrong in that Thread. I couldnt care less if that scan was fake, but one gotta proof that its fake if there are clear pictures of it. If its fake that means someone sat there for an insane amount of hours just to edit such a fake page and then print the page on a magazine like material and an entire magazine as well just to make the photo look real. Stop ridiculing yourself.

Actually. Check the last few pages. I posted a scan.

You clearly want it to be real. Because you are just a biased fanboy lol.

Yes. You admiral and akainu fans are simply that deranged. It totally happened

 

[Hedfi]

I'm 90% sure Zoro vs Lucci won't be a full on fight that goes the distance. Imo they'll clash for a while before something unexpected happens and break up their fight.

 

[Admiral Mou Bu]

Actually. Check the last few pages. I posted a scan.

You clearly want it to be real. Because you are just a biased fanboy lol.

Yes. You admiral and akainu fans are simply that deranged. It totally happened

Can you send me the link to the Thread? Cant find it.

All I asked for was a scan, if you really provided one then perfect. But people who blindly believed it was fake before seeing a proof are the real hypocrits.

No I couldnt care less if that was real or not. It literally was one of the most useless facts for the Admiral agenda.

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I'm 90% sure Zoro vs Lucci won't be a full on fight that goes the distance. Imo they'll clash for a while before something unexpected happens and break up their fight.

Most likely. Cause no way Zoro actually loses here, nor that Zoro can finish off Lucci quickly.

 

[Redboy776]

2 Swords Zoro>> Base Lucci this chapter, hybrid wont be enough to close the gap so I espect lucci to go directly to awakening.

 

[BOCCHI]

It’s easier for Zoro to look badass against much weaker opponents that causes his fight to be less enjoyable for some fans. Nevertheless, it’s how Oda does it only one strong opponent faces Zoro every several arcs tho it’s too late to complain about it we are near eos.

 

[Mr.Baj1o]

1) Stop acting King is factually stronger than Marco and Kata... While Kata may be well possible (still arguable), Marco has a stronger portrayal - especially due to Marco fighting and dominating King and Queen simoulataneously.

But lets not go there, I just wanna say stop acting like its a clear fact.

2) Even after Awakened CoC, King and Zoro were clearly fighting equally. If anything King was even still slightly superior in their brawls. Zoro admitted he doesnt have much stamina left and was huffing and puffing all the time. King clearly cornered him.

Just cause Oda didnt want to waste more chapters on their fight and decided to let them go with their finishing moves at each other fairly early, that doesnt mean it wasnt a close and equal fight. King couldve potentially won if he fought smarter, not opening his defense, brawling and mauling Zoro slowly. It was obvious that Zoro has a higher DC, that doesnt mean he's much stronger tho.

Zoro aint above Yc1 yet.



Funny how till this day no one was able to proof anything. I dont understand why Lee conceded, probably cause he was tired from that Thread.

The only one who claimed a scan which would take at least half a day to fake that good (highly unlikely someone did that for such an irrelevant fact/outcome) to be fake was sandman who 1) was not able to provide a simple proof (a scan from the "real" page) and pulled the trust me bro and 2) rowed back in one of his Tweets where he doubted the translation (everyone with a little brain should realize thats fishy af, why would he talk about the translation of a scan he considers fake himself).

So stop acting like I was wrong in that Thread. I couldnt care less if that scan was fake, but one gotta proof that its fake if there are clear pictures of it. If its fake that means someone sat there for an insane amount of hours just to edit such a fake page and then print the page on a magazine like material and an entire magazine as well just to make the photo look real. Stop ridiculing yourself.

Respect your Opinion and thx for your Time but i still have Zoro above the YC1 Tier

 

[Admiral Mou Bu]

Respect your Opinion and thx for your Time but i still have Zoro above the YC1 Tier

Zoro Low Top Tier is not an illogical take, I dont claim my opinion to be the only true one. Its a lot subjective interpretation.

But Lucci is surely Low Top Tier or close to that too.

 

[Water1415]

The fight is just going to be clash -> off screen -> fight interrupted and stopped permanently.

That's how all fights have been since Luffy defeated Kaido

 

[park_min young]

Zoro Low Top Tier is not an illogical take, I dont claim my opinion to be the only true one. Its a lot subjective interpretation.

But Lucci is surely Low Top Tier or close to that too.

That’s definitely cap bro
KoH would kill Lucci in 1 to 2 hits. The only thing that could keep it close is if Lucci is fast af but we’ve already seen that he’s no match for g5 speed too.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

That’s definitely cap bro
KoH would kill Lucci in 1 to 2 hits. The only thing that could keep it close is if Lucci is fast af but we’ve already seen that he’s no match for g5 speed too.

While I have Lucci as a high tier, I don’t think how G5 Luffy handled Lucci has that much bearing on Lucci vs Zoro
Zoro never needed that many hits to beat his opponents, he rarely needs more than 2-3 clean hits in fact.
A huge difference is that Luffy is a FS user, and that might have been what allowed him to dance around Lucci that way.
Zoro doesn’t have that and rarely fights speed based and mobile fighters (Flame On King was ragdolled by Marco in 2 vs 1 ). Zoro has blitz moves like Shishi Sonson, Ashura but in the monster trio he’s the last mobile one. I could be wrong and Zoro easily intercepts awakened Lucci and one shot him next chapter but if Oda wanted to make it a mid-high diff fight it would be due to Lucci being a different type of fighter from the ones Zoro has fought post-ts

The actual reason why I don’t see Zoro vs Lucci lasting is more about respect for the character, Zoro having a drawn out fight against someone that already took 2 Ls in the arc is meh

 

[Admiral Mou Bu]

That’s definitely cap bro
KoH would kill Lucci in 1 to 2 hits. The only thing that could keep it close is if Lucci is fast af but we’ve already seen that he’s no match for g5 speed too.

You dream too much man. Lucci will humble all of you Zoro fanboys who dont realize that Oda build him as the underdog in this fight. Mark my words and better hide in 2 weeks.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Searching for excuse already when your headcanon doesnt turn out to be true huh

Lucci will make all you Zoro fanboys silent real quick, mark my words. Its beyond me how people dont realize Zoro is the underdog here.

Underdog? Are you slow?

 

[zorovsanji]

Searching for excuse already when your headcanon doesnt turn out to be true huh

Lucci will make all you Zoro fanboys silent real quick, mark my words. Its beyond me how people dont realize Zoro is the underdog here.

Lol even kidd and law who are more important than lucci are weaker than Zoro and you really think he's stronger. Lol good thing you're not an author.

 

[SaitamaSanji]

▪︎ Many believe Zoro vs Lucci will be quick Work for Zoro and normally i agree on this BUT lets not forget Odas favourite Move which he pulls constantly on Zoro when hes to strong for the Opponent which is nerfing him trough distractions...

▪︎ What i believe is gonna happen next is that someone is gonna distract Zoro during the fight or somehow get involved to help Lucci which leads to Zoro getting hit fatally by Lucci before he ends Lucci with his finishing move.

It will be basically a Zoro vs Killer/Gyukimaru 2.0 before Zoro beats Lucci im afraid
https://flic.kr/p/2o6UWCC

zoro bois already with excuses. Its time they realize Lucci is leagues above him. zoro will need help from outside if he were to beat Lucci

Its a good thing that Lucci is already nerfed after luffy fucked him up so that zoro can has a chance against him lmao

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Searching for excuse already when your headcanon doesnt turn out to be true huh

Lucci will make all you Zoro fanboys silent real quick, mark my words. Its beyond me how people dont realize Zoro is the underdog here.

This. Zoro bois are on super copium already. They dont realize its Lucci who is nerfed here after Luffy fucked him up

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

The Zoro vs Lucci Oda created is just to continue the whole trend of "Zoro is this strong, and he is just Luffy's underling ?"

There are 2 focus on Lucci's character actually
- Betrayal
- Acknowledging Luffy's yonko lvl strength

For the first point, it stems from Enies Lobby. He was the one who did a sneak infiltration for the world government, ending up betraying everyone, but ending up betrayed by the world government at the end of the arc

He is having a similar story in this arc. He accepted an infiltration mission to kill Vegapunk, but ended up betrayed by Stussy and now that he still wants to follow the government orders, Saturn's discussion with Doberman implies imo that Lucci will get another betrayal moment by the end of the arc

For the second point, as mentioned, he still doesn't want to acknowledge Luffy's strength as a yonko despite being referred as one.

Due to their previous battle in Enies Lobby, Lucci has a hard time accepting Luffy is yonko lvl now

And imo his battle with Zoro is there as mentioned to indirectly serve as accept it using the old formula of "Zoro is this strong, and he is just Luffy's underling ?" that has been a recurring theme in the manga

As for the actual battle itself, we'd see, but I expect Zoro to struggle a bit with a combination of Lucci's speed, mobility and martial arts before Zoro finishing him off with a powerful attacks, with the difficulty probably ending up around the mid difficulty range, around the same he got with King in the previous arc, although for a different reason(finding a way to overcome King's gimmick)

I think it's going to be the exact opposite. Once Lucci sees that Luffy is a true Yonko, HE is going to be the one to betray the World Government.

It's oddly suspicious that he didn't include Kaku in on his plan, as if he didn't want Kaku involved for some reason. He made it easier for the Straw Hats, and more difficult for himself and Kizaru, by removing an ally from thier front lines. Why would he do that? Even if Kizaru is an Admiral, he should know Luffy is more than capable of standing up against him. The opposing team also has the Seraphims under thier current control, which they all just struggled with. Despite that, he chose to leave an ally in the dark, and removed from the equation. It feels like he did it on purpose, but for what reason? Perhaps because he didn't want Kaku injured or even taken out before he could enact his real plan. Turn on the WG, and get revenge for what they did to him and CP9 two years prior.