General & Others Oda's writing

[Kishido]

Writing writing on the wall... What will happen after all

 

[Master OF Haki]

to the latter.

That's why I said decent not one of the best....

Decent storyteller doesn't do as much mistakes as Oda, and Doesn't ruin as much characters as Oda. But to be fair to Oda, most of his mistakes are due to the fact that he needs to drag the story for sake of making money.

 

[Formerly Seth]

Decent storyteller doesn't do as much mistakes as Oda and Doesn't ruin as much characters as Oda. But to be fair to Oda most of his mistakes is because he needs to drag the story for sake of making money.

I guess.

Luffy's G4 draw back during such a moment after all things Oda did to make us believe Luffy is worthy. LMAOO.

One admiral is enough to finish Straw Hats. Zoro can't protect everyone.

 

[Master OF Haki]

Luffy's G4 draw back during such a moment after all things Oda did to make us believe Luffy is worthy. LMAOO.

It may be that Oda changed his mind during the fight, if Luffy didn't have his dropbacks then he would overshadow his boy Zoro and Oda can't let it happen. So...

 

[Uncle Van]

Decent storyteller doesn't do as much mistakes as Oda and Doesn't ruin as much characters as Oda. But to be fair to Oda most of his mistakes is because he needs to drag the story for sake of making money.

Oda has always been great at story telling and themes. He hasn't lost a step. It's his arc structure and character execution that has all the problems.

 

[Master OF Haki]

Oda has always been great at story telling and themes. He hasn't lost a step. It's his arc structure and character execution that has all the problems.

The arc that was vowed to be the best. Hah... Marinford will always remain No1 baby.

 

[serkeara]

- no tension in a story. We all know no one gonna die and Luffy will get no consequence after reckless behavior
- Too many Luffy panels and he becomes one man show
- Too many fodder panels
- Straw Hat crews become side characters and less interaction

 

[Don DaSlayer]

Nobody dies in Op and thats a problem.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Oda is a college dropout who's scored bigger than just about anyone in his field, creator owned comics. He's taken just about everything his mentors had going for them and crafted a visual masterpiece of a narrative longer than they could sustain and it's been made difficult to see many tropes he didn't even originate without accounting for his influence.

As far as the little gripes I see here and there, he's already addressed some of you when Crocodile was crying about how strong Whitebeard used to be.

 

[Formerly Seth]

Nobody dies in Op and thats a problem.

Nobody important.

But giving shine and deaths to fodders is Oda's favorite thing.

 

[Kromage911]

Lack of tension is my biggest issue but I get it why that happens and why Oda can't kill certain characters. Also, the lack of actual visible character development is an issue for me.

Abusing the same schemes. Alabasta, Dressrosa ( Alabasta v2 ), Wano ( alabasta v3 ). What I mean by this? Country, people, princess
Luffy comes luffy helps.

You forgot Fishman Island.

1. Oda is intentionally very vague when it comes to power scaling. It works to keep the readers guessing but Oda loves to take liberties because of it, creating a plethora of inconsistent scenes and lots of PIS. It's gotten to the point where even REAL portrayal is vague and completely dependent on what Oda wants to do at the moment. You cant trust anything nowadays.

This is so fucking true. Oda can't scale for shit, be it actual size/height or power-levels. The latter is actually pretty intentional though like you said.

 

[Formerly Seth]

You forgot Fishman Island.

My bad.

Alabasta, FMI ( Alabasta V2 ), Dressrosa ( Alabasta V3 ), Wano ( Alabasta V4 ).

 

[PerfectHie]

He retcons a lot and the pacing of the series is laughable now.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

It comes down to this - he still writes the story as if the biggest portion of his audience is young Japanese boys, and while they must be a significant chunk of his fan base, he has A LOT of fans who live in other countries and are older or female. You can’t write a story for almost 25 years and expect the same childish gags and manufactured mystique to hold water for the adults who read it now. He clearly hasn’t suffered any major loss in revenue/adoration, so he likely doesn’t see any reason to deviate from a working formula; it just sucks to know that he flat out doesn’t give a shit if anyone likes his work as presently constructed.

 

[Fn Lucci]

It comes down to this - he still writes the story as if the biggest portion of his audience is young Japanese boys, and while they must be a significant chunk of his fan base, he has A LOT of fans who live in other countries and are older or female. You can’t write a story for almost 25 years and expect the same childish gags and manufactured mystique to hold water for the adults who read it now. He clearly hasn’t suffered any major loss in revenue/adoration, so he likely doesn’t see any reason to deviate from a working formula; it just sucks to know that he flat out doesn’t give a shit if anyone likes his work as presently constructed.

Rule number one is that you can't give a shit. That's for editorial and publishers to do. If you have a story you can't bog it down with the inconsistent moans of the collective audience. Also I'm not sure how that evolving serial mentality manifests in a long running shonen series. Dragonball, Naruto, Kochi Kame, JoJo, and Ippo to name a few will end in the same format from their peak if they haven't already.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

The thing that irritates me the most is "teasing" something so much that we end up not caring at all about it, where it loses its value by the time he pays it off.... I'll give you few examples:

1- Oden and Kawamatsu Sihlouette being in constant tease for a lot of times, to a point it became annoying and ruining some scenes because a scene looks drawn in normal way for two pages or more while only Oden in sihlouette... I find sihlouette only used in good way if someone was talking about an absent person not present in the moment... but showing a complete 2-3 pages of scenes with lots of characters around, and only this guy is shadowed! It just ruins the scene!

2- the constant tease of different events we want to see but Oda just continue to tease it until we reach a point that sooo many more interesting stuff are happening that showing it now would be fucking waste of panel.... it happened so many times! Where by the time the pay off comes, we have more interesting stuff we want to see... and those important stuff we want to see will again be delayed for other time when other more important stuff we want to focus on

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Rule number one is that you can't give a shit. That's for editorial and publishers to do. If you have a story you can't bog it down with the inconsistent moans of the collective audience. Also I'm not sure how that evolving serial mentality manifests in a long running shonen series. Dragonball, Naruto, Kochi Kame, JoJo, and Ippo to name a few will end in the same format from their peak if they haven't already.

Right, I feel like I acknowledged that in my original post...it’s obviously worked for Oda and his peers for many, many years at this point; they don’t stand to lose anything by ignoring what they view to be people outside their target audience. I feel they stand to GAIN more exposure and adulation by at least considering some of the voices outside of the echo chamber, but clearly, it’s not enough to move the needle for any of them.

 

[Finalbeta]

The immense quantity of PIS that the author portrayed in Marineford and some other occasions.

I think in general PIS is Oda's biggest fault, but it's not that we can discredit him much for that in particular either, different series are like that.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Right, I feel like I acknowledged that in my original post...it’s obviously worked for Oda and his peers for many, many years at this point; they don’t stand to lose anything by ignoring what they view to be people outside their target audience. I feel they stand to GAIN more exposure and adulation by at least considering some of the voices outside of the echo chamber, but clearly, it’s not enough to move the needle for any of them.

Your point makes it about an audience when it's really about a man doing a story he obviously loves doing. It also assumes that despite keeping a strong reader base something has to be changed. If I thought about an echo chamber it'd be in regards to the particular complaints or terms in general I see ("___ should be YC level" which isn't even a thing, for example) that just don't come up in other communities.

The idea that he's meticulous far above average has been pretty much disproven over years and it's like people now assume the opposite. I also suggested that Oda doesn't give a shit when it's not true. Just because he's not what people remember seeing him as doesn't make him less than what he actually was or is as far as an able creator goes.

 

[Jailer]

Reserving everything for the MC. Revealed Lucci's hybrid form the first time he used his df but when Kaido faces Oden he faces him in his shitty ass Dragon form, reserved his hybrid for MC. Same goes for his executives also.

Many characters outside this arc also not showing proper feats until they face mc.