Powers & Abilities Oden king of heaven and hell

#21
Sandai just has a sharp edge and shushi is a black blade you sound dumb . Stop being a hater
What’s the point in pretending blades can’t have special traits that make the user stronger once mastered? Even within the same grade there is clear superiority between a blade like enma compared to wado. Even the guy that made both says enma is the greatest weapon he ever made lol



We already know weapons have a will on their own and can choose their user and we already know some blades have special traits
Acting like this is new information or crying about doesn’t change anything
 
#22
What’s the point in pretending blades can’t have special traits that make the user stronger once mastered? Even within the same grade there is clear superiority between a blade like enma compared to wado. Even the guy that made both says enma is the greatest weapon he ever made lol



We already know weapons have a will on their own and can choose their user and we already know some blades have special traits
Acting like this is new information or crying about doesn’t change anything
dude you said enma takes out more haki then the user is capable of . That’s a lie that’s the only thing I said . Save the paragraphs
 
#23
dude you said enma takes out more haki than the user is capable of . That’s a lie that’s the only thing I said . Save the paragraphs
? Do you not remember what you just said cause no that’s not the only thing you said lol
Sandai just has a sharp edge and shushi is a black blade you sound dumb . Stop being a hater
And enma being able to pull out more haki than the user is normally capable of is that whole point of the sword lol
 
#30

We know that oden wielded habakiri and enma ever since he was a kid more likely than not mastering both. With both blades paralleling each other in that they respectively representing heaven and hell

Enma being given to hiyori and having the ability to pull out more haki than the user would normally be capable of. Oden definitely being able to master that trait of the blade

Ame no habakiri being given to momonosuke with it so far seemingly having no special traits. While it’s definitely possible that like wado ichimonji there’s nothing inherently special about it I personally would find that kinda boring/disappointing. With how much expectations oden had for his son to gift him the inferior blade doesn’t make much sense imo. So hopefully habakiri and even wado get something special. Whatever that special thing is if it existed I imagine oden would be able to master as well. Maybe it somehow increased the users senses or observation haki idk


Also when it comes to momonosuke specifically I do think there is a pretty good shot he does end up getting a cursed blade either way. That being the other purple curse sword nidai kitetsu. He’s most likely is gonna go with a 2 sword style like oden and kinemon, zoro didn’t end up taking it, his grandpa has it, and him getting the sword luffy kinda wanted it kinda funny
Has it ever been said that Enma allows you to pull out more haki than the user can? Enma testing the determination of a swordsman takes more than the user wants to apply. If the swordsman's resolve is weak, she can start sucking haki on her own, interfering in battle. Zoro covered haki all the swords equally, or just sandai kitetsu. As we can see, Zoro has passed the test and now enma does not try to suck haki when he does not want to. Perhaps if Zoro's determination decreases in the future, Enma can remind himself again. But she never allowed to take more haki than the swordsman himself can
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What’s the point in pretending blades can’t have special traits that make the user stronger once mastered? Even within the same grade there is clear superiority between a blade like enma compared to wado. Even the guy that made both says enma is the greatest weapon he ever made lol



We already know weapons have a will on their own and can choose their user and we already know some blades have special traits
Acting like this is new information or crying about doesn’t change anything
I understand that you want to throw off some limited abilities on swords by lowering Zoro, but let's face it. 1 Sandai is just a great and sharp blade of high quality. It does not give any bonuses to Zoro in dealing damage compared to another high-quality blade. 2 Shusui, strong and heavy, thanks to the weight, can combine a slash into one whole with three slashes and make it stronger. Due to the heavy weight, the swing speed suffers compared to the very light yubashiri. Enma-when checking a swordsman, he draws more haki than the swordsman wants to release, but the swordsman can independently release a large amount of haki on any blade if he wants. Like Luffy in g4. When enma is mastered and the owner is confident in himself, enma stops interfering with him by pulling haki. That is, take the enma from Zoro, he can still use koh.
 
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#31
Has it ever been said that Enma allows you to pull out more haki than the user can? Enma testing the determination of a swordsman takes more than the user wants to apply. If the swordsman's resolve is weak, she can start sucking haki on her own, interfering in battle. Zoro covered haki all the swords equally, or just sandai kitetsu. As we can see, Zoro has passed the test and now enma does not try to suck haki when he does not want to. Perhaps if Zoro's determination decreases in the future, Enma can remind himself again. But she never allowed to take more haki than the swordsman himself can
That’s the whole point in the blade
Those not strong enough to master it either get all their haki sapped against their will. Those who have mastered it can control how much haki they let enma take. Against kaido he says he needs to unleash enma more. Even king of hell mode is something he unlocked to do his better mastery of enma. With him outright saying enma will kill him if he’s in the mode for too long
Zoro being capable of unleashing more haki with enma is what makes the blade special

It’s the same with sandai and shusui. Those who can’t tame the blades can’t control how much sandi cuts or how destructive shusui is but once they master it they can decide for themselves how much they want each blade to unleash those special traits. He can decide to not use it at all if he didn’t want to either because since he mastered it it’s his choice not the blades
 
#33
That’s the whole point in the blade
Those not strong enough to master it either get all their haki sapped against their will. Those who have mastered it can control how much haki they let enma take. Against kaido he says he needs to unleash enma more. Even king of hell mode is something he unlocked to do his better mastery of enma. With him outright saying enma will kill him if he’s in the mode for too long
Zoro being capable of unleashing more haki with enma is what makes the blade special

It’s the same with sandai and shusui. Those who can’t tame the blades can’t control how much sandi cuts or how destructive shusui is but once they master it they can decide for themselves how much they want each blade to unleash those special traits. He can decide to not use it at all if he didn’t want to either because since he mastered it it’s his choice not the blades
No. The meaning of the Blade is that the swordsman would stop restraining himself and his haki. Yes, after Zoro realized what Enma wanted from him (not to hold back haki) yes, enma independently pulled haki out of him, for example, when tatsumaki attacked. But when Zoro realized that it was enma testing him, he independently gave a huge amount of haki to all three blades, even the color changed from a feolet haki (when enma herself pulled haki from zoro) to a green haki (when Zoro independently began to release haki into swords). At the time of the fight with King, he was still undergoing a test from Enma, and if he had delayed this fight, enma would have dried his hand again by taking a ton of haki and killing him. The meaning of enma was in the role of a "teacher" thanks to this, Zoro awakened acoc. And now Zoro has learned how to use KoH with any swords. Yes, at least on the fists. Luffy produces a large number of haki in 4-gear according to the same principle. Everything is simple.
 
#34
No. The meaning of the Blade is that the swordsman would stop restraining himself and his haki. Yes, after Zoro realized what Enma wanted from him (not to hold back haki) yes, enma independently pulled haki out of him, for example, when tatsumaki attacked. But when Zoro realized that it was enma testing him, he independently gave a huge amount of haki to all three blades, even the color changed from a feolet haki (when enma herself pulled haki from zoro) to a green haki (when Zoro independently began to release haki into swords). At the time of the fight with King, he was still undergoing a test from Enma, and if he had delayed this fight, enma would have dried his hand again by taking a ton of haki and killing him. The meaning of enma was in the role of a "teacher" thanks to this, Zoro awakened acoc. And now Zoro has learned how to use KoH with any swords. Yes, at least on the fists. Luffy produces a large number of haki in 4-gear according to the same principle. Everything is simple.
Remove enma and no zoro wouldn’t be capable of the same things


It’s literally just like the other 2 remove them and he wouldn’t be capable of the same things. It’s true his mastery of each blade he decides to what extent he wants to unleash each ability. That doesn’t change the fact if you gave him random swords instead he wouldn’t be as capable. Same exact things applies to oden

He needs to unleash specifically enma to use more haki. It was specifically enma that was killing him in koh mode. Koh is even named of off enma

It is not downplay to acknowledge the power of the weapon and the ones capable of taming them
 
#35
Another low IQ Albino thread. At this point, it's a given that all his threads are just retarded. Unofficial translation, official translation and the anime, yet it still struggles to understand how Enma works. Maybe try reading the wiki....i doubt it'll help though :suresure:
 
#36
Another low IQ Albino thread. At this point, it's a given that all his threads are just retarded. Unofficial translation, official translation and the anime, yet it still struggles to understand how Enma works. Maybe try reading the wiki....i doubt it'll help though :suresure:
And all 3 translations say the exact same thing…
Please tell me how zoro needing to unleash enma’s power more has nothing to do with enma
 
#37
And all 3 translations say the exact same thing…
And not 1 of them works in your favour. Enma doesn't take more than what the user has, it doesn't multiply the users haki, it doesn't give new haki, it certainly doesn't unlock new haki either. It does 1 thing and that exudes more CoA from the user by force. The fact that YOU don't get that even after 4 years is not surprising to me at all.

Please tell me how zoro needing to unleash enma’s power more has nothing to do with enma
Putting words that i didn't say in my mouth. you sound stupid af right now

save your drivel though, i know a troll baiting for interactions when i see one
 
#38
And not 1 of them works in your favour. Enma doesn't take more than what the user has, it doesn't multiply the users haki, it doesn't give new haki, it certainly doesn't unlock new haki either. It does 1 thing and that exudes more CoA from the user by force. The fact that YOU don't get that even after 4 years is not surprising to me at all.



Putting words that i didn't say in my mouth. you sound stupid af right now

save your drivel though, i know a troll baiting for interactions when i see one
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Yes enma pulls out more haki than the user is capable of pulling out themselves. That’s all it does
 
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