Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1003 Spoilers Discussion

[ShishioIsBack]

I've been telling you all, since WCI I was saying that one piece is done. I couldn't defend Oda after Meme's amnesia in Wano, before that I at least hoped Oda would improve but he didn't.

• When I said that Oda destroyed Sanji's character with raid suit everyone attacked me saying "you don't understand anything, You don't understand Sanji's character as much as Oda, he's the outher etc".
• When I said that Oda completely destroyed Whitbeard's character I was again attacked by Oda's knights who were saying "you're just looking for attention, stop whining, you don't understand his character bla bla bla"

And now Luffy; Luffy is the most pathetic MC I've ever seen (even worse than Naruto) he can only scream "I'll become the PK" but can't do shit to anyone: he couldn't defeat Doffy, he Couldn't defeat Cracker, he couldn't do shit to Kata and now Kaido.

In a fight for PK throne (and these are not my words, it's Kaido who said it)...

...Zoro is leading the pack. By throwing Zoro in the fight against two Emperors Oda just confirmed how useless and Pointless Luffy's dream is. Zoro has ZERO and I reapet ZERO connection to the PK title, Zoro doesn't wanna become the PK and he isn't even a pairet. Zoro hasn't fought against any YC, Zoro didn't train as much as Luffy and he's still better than Luffy. Luffy is the trash of the century, he can only talk Big but doesn't have will or strength to back it up. Luffy has zero responsibility, he didn't learn anything, he brought Meme here but doesn't even take responsibility for it, at all, WTF? Where's old Luffy that we knew?

And of course Wano arc, hyped to be the best but ends up being the worst. I can rant about Wano forever and how bad it is, how ridiculous Wano's plat is, how much plot holes are out there... I'll show just two examples here:

Kaido's smile army was multi–arc running plot, and people were wondering, how strowhats are going deal with that!?
But as soon as Wano arc started, in first few chapters, Oda (whiteout any shame) introduces a solution to that problem...

And with that, the multi–arc running plot was thrown away, but smile army wasn't the only plot that was thrown away.

Kaido's tough body/scales was long running plot too, and Oda solved that problem the way he did with the smile army.

When Kaido was first introduced, in his introduction it said that "he had challenged both the Emperors and the Navy multiple times...

and no one was able to truly wound Kaido. Yes, you can damage Kaido with advanced haki but that isn't enough to wound Kaido the necessary amount damage to defeat him. The only one who was able to pull that off was none other than Oden, and Oden did it because of Enma. Enma is the reason Kaido can be defeated and Oda has been very and unapologetically clear about it.

ZORO THE KING OF FEATS.
Glad you accepted I was right all along

 

[Lukegranders]

I guess Tomorrow morning-evening.(European Time)

Did raws come out before full summary last week?

 

[Raughtale]

To me it wasn't the same at all. Nobody forced Sanji to beat the shit out of Luffy.

Beating the shit out of him is nicer than framing him for murder.

 

[KAIDO D. STRONGER]

Not really. While oden was injured it didn't seemed to do heavy damage. With how durable oden is the weakened club attack still is more powerful. Divine thunder from healthy kaido balances it.

Dude even in recent chapter luffy has to use fs to dodge divine thunder. Boro breath is not a blitz attack. Luffy easily dodged it in their first encounter.

This breath of heat that KAIDO used in ODEN is so weak compared to the illustrations we currently have ...
Current heat blowing >>> Kaido disarticulated heat blowing 20 years ago.

 

[Lukegranders]

When does the sbs volume 98 come out

 

[zzShinichi]

Did raws come out before full summary last week?

It comes together i think, Redon will post the full summary once the raw leaks comes out

 

[MonsterKaido]

This breath of heat that KAIDO used in ODEN is so weak compared to the illustrations we currently have ...
Current heat blowing >>> Kaido disarticulated heat blowing 20 years ago.

Yes the boro breath kaido used against oden seems much smaller.

 

[mckengrie]

Did raws come out before full summary last week?

Yes but chapter is out time February 5. Even have two day.

Full summary out chapter out time in last day.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

What attacks did oden took before club attack

It was stated that the fight lasted for a long time and that Oden’s endurance was impressive. So he likely took many attacks from weak ass Kaido and endured them.

Boro breath can be dodged. You have very poor imagination don't you.

Your argument is literally that Kaido nerfed himself to face the Supernovas and is currently letting himself get completely stomped by them lol.

 

[KAIDO D. STRONGER]

Yes the boro breath kaido used against oden seems much smaller.

Yes, it is much weaker, but as it was KAIDO YOUNG it makes sense.
Current> 20 years ago.

 

[Arrow]

It kinda sucks that Zoro will never find out about what happened in Whole Cake Island, the part about Sanji beating Luffy. Only Nami, Luffy and Sanji know that information, and all of them won't share it with Zoro. I would love that see that interaction, i think it would be really tense and interesting, while at the same time picking a setup from Water 7.

I pretty sure Oda knows that if Zoro was privy to that information, the crew would have a pretty serious fight.

Just think about it. Zoro is a lot more open with his respect and caring nature towards Usopp than he is with Sanji, remember how he almost cut down Nami when she said she killed Usopp back in Arlong Park, and even tho Zoro is annoyed by Usopp's coward side, he also respect his braver moments and his sniper skills. Despite all of that, Zoro was still very strict about Usopp's decision to challenge Luffy and then leave the crew, he respected the wishes of Luffy and the rest of the crew that wanted Usopp back, but he determined he would only accept Usopp back if the first thing that came out of his mouth was an apology. Thankfully, Usopp didn't disapoint Zoro and their friendship is completely restored.

Now think about how Zoro would've reacted learning about what Sanji did, especially taking into account how Zoro shows a lot less care and respect towards Sanji, at least openly, we know Zoro does care about Sanji.

The Sanji situation was a lot worse than Usopp's IMO, first Sanji left the crew, Zoro knows about this part already and knows Sanji did it because he didn't wanted to put the crew in danger, but Zoro still was a little bit annoyed about that. Now we enter into the "fight", after Luffy went to save Sanji, Sanji beat the shit out of Luffy, and it wasn't even in a fight like Usopp, it was a one-sided beatup from Sanji torwards his captain. Then, later on, Sanji just wanted to come back into the crew without even taking much responsability for what he did, not apologizing or anything, and Luffy didn't care about it (just like he didn't with Usopp), but even Nami gave Sanji a cold shoulder in that moment (remember Nami was one of the few who was really open to Usopp coming back and didn't care about all that stuff, Nami is one of the most forgiving out of the Straw Hats, she forgave Jinbei!). To top it all off, all the three things that made Sanji do everything he did in WCI were pointless, first the crew was going to rush to save him anyways, so they would be less in danger if Sanji had stayed with them, second the Baratie cooks were threatened, but for all we know they are all safe and sound, even after Sanji escaped from the wedding, seems like it was a bluff, and finally the bracelet bombs put on his hands just completely disappeared, so basically Sanji did all of that, put the crew in risk and beat the shit out of Luffy for nothing, forced drama.

So if even Nami didn't take that shit well, how do you think Zoro would take it?

I'm pretty sure Zoro would make Sanji ask for forgiveness to the whole crew like Usopp or ask Sanji to leave the crew. If neither of these things were realized, Zoro would've left the crew, just like he said back in Water 7.

And also, think about how hypocritical it is from Sanji's POV, because Sanji was the only one that agreed with Zoro back in Water 7 in relation to only allowing Usopp back into the crew if he asked for forgiveness, but when it comes to himself, he acts like nothing happenend, it kinda pisses me off to be honest.

Anyway, just wanted to get this out of my chest.

Not sure why this is a topic but Luffy would tell Zoro not to do anything. The end.
Sanji went because BM was threatening to kill Zeff, Zoro would do the save if Kuina was in the same spot, Usopp and Kaya, Nami and her sister.

 

[MonsterKaido]

It was stated that the fight lasted for a long time and that Oden’s endurance was impressive. So he likely took many attacks from weak ass Kaido and endured them.



Your argument is literally that Kaido nerfed himself to face the Supernovas and is currently letting himself get completely stomped by them lol.

Fighting fodders is very impressive OK. Tell me something did kaido performed better against scabbards using his base or dragon form?
You know pis is a thing in one piece right.

Why did kaido transformed back into his base form against scabbards if his base is weaker

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

 

[Indigo]

Not sure why this is a topic but Luffy would tell Zoro not to do anything. The end.

Then Zoro would leave the crew, like he said he would.

And i disagree, i think Zoro wouldn't hurt Luffy unless Luffy told him to, Zoro's loyalty to Luffy is first and the rest of the crew is second, i'm pretty sure. Sanji does sees everyone in the crew equally, with the exception of Zoro of course, because he put knifes and shit into his food already (smoething he wouldn't do even to Big Mom).

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Y'all remember when Zoro was supposed to be fighting who's who? Man's wiping the floor with yonkos lmao

@Fujishiro was telling me whose who would give Zoro a high diff when I said Zoro would stomp him

 

[MonsterZoro]

REDON CONFIRMED FAKE!!!! HE NEVER OCNFIRMED THE SPOILERS THIS WEEK

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Fighting fodders is very impressive OK.

Dont lie like the rest of the Yonko fans lol. This was specifically in reference to Kaido vs Oden. Oden’s endurance against Kaido specifically was impressive.

Tell me something did kaido performed better against scabbards using his base or dragon form?

Seems to me like you’re arguing circumstantial feats over actual portrayal. Kaido himself clearly views his dragon form as being stronger than his base form. So either Kaido is just stupid, or Dragon Kaido is indeed above base Kaido.

You know pis is a thing in one piece right.

Yeah see the above. There’s no other way to rationalize your view of the story other than believing that Kaido specifically is just stupid. He’s a big dumb idiot who really can’t do anything right.

 

[Lukegranders]

REDON CONFIRMED FAKE!!!! HE NEVER OCNFIRMED THE SPOILERS THIS WEEK

You capping?

 

[mckengrie]

REDON CONFIRMED FAKE!!!! HE NEVER OCNFIRMED THE SPOILERS THIS WEEK

Confirmed boy...

- Zoro usa el ataque "Kokujou Oo Tatsu Maki" (parece que es el mismo que usó en Isla Gyojin) contra Kaidou y salva de nuevo a Luffy (es el dibujo que ha hecho el filtrador coreano).

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Zoro is the most blatant example of a Gary Stu I’ve seen in a while

wtf are you talking about?
This is the first time this motherfucker has had a fight with the main arc antagonist since oars.

Do you you know what Gary stu is? Wasn't Zoro zapped by Big Meme just last chapter?