Imo you don't have to change your mind so easily, since Luffy is now involved in 5 vs 2 anyway. My prediction Luffy will solo Kaidou in the final round against Kaidou's peak form. Like Luffy vs Doflamingo's Awakening at final round, and Luffy break Dofla's strongest move decisively. If it happens, i'll count it as Luffy surpassing Kaidou.
But if the final round (the most portion of effort/energy used by Kaidou's strongest form) still goes by 5 vs 1 or 3 vs 1 or even 2 vs 1, especially with combo group attack (at the same time or one after another) as the last attack against Kaidou, my view will most likely shift to "Oda doesn't actually intends to value Luffy's dream as strongly as that of Zoro's".
If thats going to be the case, i personally would be disappointed, and my attachment to Luffy as a character or Oda as an author may be reduced. It'd be que sera sera moment for me though.
I don't expect Luffy to beat Kaido in a final 1 vs 1. If Luffy does face Kaido at his strongest in a 1 vs 1 after the others have been beaten, I will have been wrong in my expectation and so will update accordingly.
The Zoro downplayers should stop. Not because it is not healthy or toxic or what not, no. They should stop because in the long run, they will hurt their fav character portrayal.
Saying that Zoro as not been impressive since the beginning of the fight is putting the bar of what is « impressive » extremely high. So high, that I doubt that any character under roof will do better in this arc or after.
They are basically setting a paradigm where if you not able to do better than what Zoro is actually doing against two Yonko, you are not impressive, you’re meh.
Zoro saved Luffy 6 times, all other Supernova once, and was still the runner up in damage dealt. If not for Mama's warning to Kaido in 1002, Zoro would have been by far the best performer in the arc.
Look at the panels again. There’s a wide shot of when Akainu was interrupted by Coby, and you can clearly see that there’s no commanders in sight. Wonder why Akainu went from fighting commanders to fighting fodders Perhaps Akainu is more bark than he is bite
Knowing Akainu, he probably cheapshot Curiel while he was fighting someone else. Also isn’t it funny how Akainu couldn’t kill Curiel despite allegedly being so lethal that he can one shot Kaido with a clean hit, according to certain fans? Did Akainu’s magma attack even scar Curiel?
I really don't see how people can say Zoro make kaido go hybrid .
It not like he even turn hybrid right after the attack like when he was fighting the scabbards and went human ( mind you he said they were to weak )
Kaido tank the attack and did another one right after and then when we see him he in hybrid talking about how much fun the fight is.
This once again Kadio doing what ever the fuck he wants .
People looking at the perspective of the character they want when they should be looking at the perspective of Kaido who love battles and like to test people.
Kaido just up the game time to see if the SN can make it out .
This is one of the first times where I'm totally okay with Oda skipping most of the fights in the dome and just dedicating one chapter to finish a fight.
Oda is funnily portraying a consistent gap lying between Zoro and Luffy too recently.
- Like Luffy's G4 doesn't last much
- Regardless Zoro's base has more AP than G4, imagine under Asura
- Lastly Luffy is not even as durable as Kaido and less enduring than Zoro anyways
(Unless some mods get salty and bring down the hammer).
I don't expect Luffy to beat Kaido in a final 1 vs 1. If Luffy does face Kaido at his strongest in a 1 vs 1 after the others have been beaten, I will have been wrong in my expectation and so will update accordingly.
That's the job of the Firstmate.
I am the greatest of them all.
Zoro saved Luffy 6 times, all other Supernova once, and was still the runner up in damage dealt. If not for Mama's warning to Kaido in 1002, Zoro would have been by far the best performer in the arc.
Zoro's Performance so far
Zoro's accomplishments this fight:
Defence
Protected Luffy from Mama's Heavenly Fire
Protected Luffy from Kaido's Boro Breath
Protected Luffy from Mama's Cognac
Protected all Supernova from Kaido's tornadoes
Rescued Luffy from Kaido's Chomp
Protected Luffy from Kaido's Wind Scythes
Offence
His Rengoku Oni Giri earned him a compliment from Kaido:
His Hiryuu Kaen terrified the Yonkou
Mama:
Kaido
Carved up Kaido with Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki:
Blood spurted from his body:
Made him repeatedly cough up blood:
It briefly knocked Kaido down:
Portrayal
Killer expressed surprise at his attack working
Kaido acknowledged his attack as having been successful
The only other attack he acknowledged was Red Roc
Kaido previously called Law's Gamma Knife, Kidd's Slam Gibson, and Luffy's Kong Rifle "tricks":
He called Killer's Scyther Sonic "vexing":
Mama acknowledged his attack as having been successful
The only other attack she acknowledged was Red Roc
Kaido noticed that he bears Oden's Katana
I think Zoro is the MVP. Luffy did significantly more damage to Kaido with Kong Gatling, but Zoro hurt him significantly, and protected Luffy four times this chapter and the other Supernova once.
Yonkou Attacks History
I'm going off memory here, so I may have missed a few.
Luffy
Kaido
Basic Club Swing
Dodged and countered by Red Roc
Thunder Bagua
Partially dodged
Basic Club Swing
Rescued by Law
Demolition Gust
Dodged and countered with Kong Rifle
Boro Breath
Rescued by Zoro
Boro Breath
Withstood
Tornadoes
Rescued by Zoro
Dragon Chomp
Rescued by Zoro
Multitude of Wind Scythes
Rescued by Zoro
Mama
Heavenly Fire
Rescued by Zoro
God of Lightning: Tenjin
Immune by virtue of Devil Fruit
Cognac
Rescued by Zoro
Zoro
Kaido
Basic Club Swing
Countered with Rengoku Oni Giri
Demolition Gust
Deflected
Multitude of Wind Scythes
Dodged
Mama
God of Lightning: Tenjin
Withstood
Kidd
Kaido
Demolition Gust
Withstood
Tornadoes
Rescued by Zoro
Multitude of Wind Scythes
Withstood
Mama
God of Lightning: Tenjin
Withstood
Law
Kaido
Demolition Gust
Dodged
Chomp
Dodged
Multitude of Wind Scythes
Dodged
Mama
God of Lightning: Tenjin
Withstood
Killer
Kaido
Basic Club Swing
Countered with Beheading Claw
Demolition Gust
Dodged
Dragon Chomp
Rescued by Luffy
Tornadoes
Rescued by Zoro
Multitude of Wind Scythes
Dodged
Mama
Indra
Withstood
God of Lightning: Tenjin
Withstood
Excluding God of Lightning: Tenjin (immune due to DF ability), Luffy needed to be rescued from Mama's other attacks by Zoro. Against Kaido, he cleanly dodged two attacks, partially dodged one, was rescued for five and withstood one.
Luffy's total confirmed attacks were 12. He was rescued for more than half of them.
The total confirmed attacks on all Supernova (some double counting due to multi target attacks) is 29.
Luffy has taken around 41% of Yonkou attacks; a plurality, but not the majority I've seen others claiming. And he was rescued for more than half of those attacks.
Supernova Damage Scoreboard
My estimate of damage done to Kaido so far:
My heuristic is that the Kong Gun used in Chapter 1000 did 1 point of damage.
Luffy
Red Roc: 15 points
Knocked Kaido to the ground
Made Luffy compare him to the others he fought who could harm him
Mama acknowledged him
Kong Gun: 1 point
Kong Rifle: 2 points
Stronger than a Kong Gun
Was called a "trick" by Kaido
Rhino Schneider: 1.5 points
Kong Gatling: 60 points
Dozens of Kong Guns
Shocked Mama
Stupefied Kidd
Made Kaido cough up blood
Knocked Kaido down for several panels
Total: 74.5 points
Zoro
Rengoku Oni Giri: 1.5 points
Kaido complimented him and Killer with "well done".
Hiryuu Kaen: 0 points
It didn't land
Had it landed, I think it would have been at least 100 points
Terrified Mama and made her warn Kaido to dodge
Environmental destruction was orders of magnitude greater than for Kong Gatling
Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki: 30 points
Carved up Kaido, making him spurt blood, and repeatedly cough up blood
Mama acknowledged his attack as having been successful
Kaido acknowledged his attack as having been successful
Killer expressed surprise at his attack working
Total: 31.5 points
Killer
Beheading Claw: 1.5 points
Kaido complimented him and Killer with "well done".
Scyther Sonic: 8 points
It turned Kaido's eyes white.
Kaido called it "vexing"
As opposed to the "tricks" he called the others
While it did internal damage, it did not cause Kaido to cough up blood
Total: 9.5 points
Law
Rock Spam: 2 points
Kaido screamed in pain, he reacted to it much more than Kidd or Luffy's attack
Gamma Knife: 5 points
It should be stronger than rock spam
Kaido screamed in pain
Kaido called it a "trick"
Counter Shock: 3 points
Mama is less durable than Kaido
She seemed to visibly react to it
Total: 10 points
Kidd:
Crush: 1 point
No real indication it hurt more than Kong Gun
Slam Gibson: 2 points
Kaido called it a "trick"
Total: 3 points
Luffy has dealt the most damage so far, Zoro is a distant second, Law and Killer are neck and neck for 3rd and 4th, Kidd is a relatively distant 5th.
I arbitrarily decided that Kong Gatling should be double Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki after my debate with @WesMidnight. Kong Gatling knocked Kaido down for a few panels, and that's something Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki failed to accomplish.
Conclusions
I think Zoro is the MVP by virtue of saving Luffy six times and all other Supernova once, but that's another matter entirely. Had Hiryuu Kaen landed, he would have dealt the most damage overall and being a distant first. As is, Luffy is a close runner up by virtue of dealing more damage than all other Supernova combined and attracting most of the attention of the Yonkou.
Commentary and feedback is welcome. I would update this on convincing arguments.
People shouldn't forget Zoro's whole focus has been on to protect Luffy. Only with first attack and last chapter attack he went on complete offence for one attack, and Oda choose that it should miss probably for plot reasons.
Even this chapters attack was to save Luffy, I'm not saying it didn't have offensive power, it certainly did as it hurt Kaido, but Zoro's mindset was to save Luffy.
And Luffy whole mindset is on attack with recklessness on top of it, probably he knows that Zoro is there to protect him. Because of this Luffy had landed more hits than Zoro. But I would agrue Zoro still has better showing overall.
So I would agree Zoro again is the MVP of this chapter. And he's still has the most potential to show more.
Of course Luffy is going to surpass Kaido individually *eventually* but not in Wano, otherwise Luffy would already be the strongest in the world and we're not at the end yet.
It's like if Zoro + Luffy + Law + Sanji fought Mihawk. Mihawk gets injured by Luffy, Law, Sanji etc, and then Zoro deals the final blow to defeat him. Imagine saying Zoro had surpassed Mihawk, it wouldn't be true.
what would happen is
people will insist he has surpassed him cause the author will imply that just as he did with katakuri calling him his equal mid fight.
the only thing that will be reevaluated is kaido's top 1 status
cause luffy certainly wont be the strongest after wano
his fans will stay persistent tho
like doffy stans
like katakuri stans
even when the author implies he has moved past that.
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Oda what are ya doing to my precious boy Luffy?
Perhaps Akainu is more bark than he is bite
