The only way the king and queen can redeem themselves in my eyes is they finally take down all the enemies, and oda will use BM to defeat them. We know it's not going to happen, so they are going to remain the worst ones. Smoothie did nothing, but I feel I would still keep her higher. She is at 0. These guys are in the negative right now.
What they are doing has to be done for a long time, so their team and tobi roppo would have been in a better position.
Okay you are obviously delusional af. I asked you what an admiral actually has over Luffy and you don't have anything. I'm not interested in your fanfics. What can admirals with inferior haki do to Luffy? What can admirals with inferior power and strength do to him? Fujitora was getting thrown around by no name G3 punches. When G4 cones out with advanced CoA and Cotc what is he going to do? He is going to end up in hospital. Worse than what Sabo and fodders did.
Literally every single chapter Marco says he is tired, or thats things are difficult, or he is serious or gets hit, guess what?
Exactly, you have King and Queen fighting him together, this chapter shows that in the best way possible.
Even then, King didn't had to fight Marco and Sanji at once, or alternate between them, like Queen did, Hybrid is more than justified in this case because Queen had to keep up against two opponents.
1vs1 Marco showed no difficulty, literally nothing happened, but he also did nothing against, we barely saw him 1vs1 against someone (just a panel of full Zoan King shotting things at Marco but it just passed through his DF).
2vs1 was when things actually happened to effectively bring him down that fast, even at these moments Marco was treating King and Queen on basicly the same way while fighting.
(We may even consider he using his healing powers on Samurai or getting hit by Queen's plagues until Chopper healed him)
So overall i place King and Marco as equals, i think thats pretty fair, and Queen is very slightly below them.
King is slightly superior to Queen
There's no big gap...stop fooling yourselves with headcanons. This dude fire isn't even big as Ace or Prometheus.
Marco isn't above King. If he was, Oda would make King go all out with Marco matching that.
What's Marco excuse for having average haki (no koka shown even)? Not having awakening? So far no YC & Warlord have better haki than Cracker except Hancock, Jinbei, Katakuri and Posthawk. Probably Benn & Roo too.
You guys bash Sanji or Kidd for actually putting up a fight without quitting but praise Marco who has quit twice in his life and got choked easily. Make it make sense.
If king shows awakening, he's clearly above Marco.
Time to stop making up excuses for Marco shortcomings and lack of Skills.
No top Pirate lacks awakening or advanced haki! Or has physical stats or skills below G4. Especially almost all top pirates have CoC!
Marco lacking these means he's not in this class of Pirates!
You wanna tell me Oda gives Roger, OG Yonko ,kata, Luffy, Hancock & doffy either CoC + adhaki or awakening or but not the supposed "strongest YC /high tier" yeah right! Believable.
There you go again with your headcannon downplaying Marco. I don't know who's worse between you, moe and erkan when it comes to headcannon.
Marco had an even clash with Big Mom who not only relied on help from her subordinate but also acknowledge she didn't have the power to beat him. That was Marco not Kid, Sanji, Cracker or even Katakuri who had even clashes with base Luffy. The same Luffy who's veteran level in base mode and was almost killed by Hody.
You keep talking about lack of skills but it was the Big Mom Pirates who fought Luffy in his base mode for hours and couldn't beat him.
Oda missed a huge chance to give King / Queen a massive hype. Instead of just one panel of them holding gifters as some prized possession, he should have drawn multiple panels to show their dominance. Maybe even show how they laid out Sanji and Marco.
Question is, is Zoro going to use Ashura against King?
For people downplaying Pica, he still hasn't used Sanzen Sekai, and even KOed Killer with Rengoku Onigiri, a weaker move. It seems this move did a lot of damage to King, and drew blood, but need actual chapter to see.