Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1032 Spoilers Discussion

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

I disagree with the second part though.

Nobody who used Ryou and cut Kaido, ever attacked BM yet. And we see BM bleed from metal pieces, something that Kaido won't bleed from - atleast externally.

Also you have a direct comparision with Luffy - Kaido took a whole Kong Organ without CoA while BM needed CoA hardening to stop a single Kong Gun.

Meme bleeding from her mouth an eyes. She doesn’t have external wounds. Tho Why wouldn’t Kaido be hurt?? We literally see law use the same method with rocks. An Kaido yelling out. The attacks attacking from all sides to create a pressurize effect. We know already that works on Kaido, since Kaido says so himself

Ur using the word needed very loosely also. What exactly implies its “needed”.

 

[Yahazu]

fellas I think King admitted to being weaker than Kaido when he chose to be his subordinate but I might be wrong here

kaido fought with whole wano and will be the last to fall, but the king who will fall to zoro before kaidou falls to luffy is more durable, lmao zorotards.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Kidd awakening attack is meant to be impressive, so much that fodder even thought she would be dead from it and BM said she hasnt felt that much pain in decades. Doesnt matter what you think about metal pieces, that attack is a top tier move regardless of visuals.

It would be a very damaging move on Kaido - but he won't bleed from it externally since it doesn't bypass his scales. However BM will. That's the whole point.

BM wasted all of Luffy's G4 energy from a single Kong gun punch. Luffy took her verbal bait and she just responded back in kind. It literally says nothing about her "needing" it to defend from it, she is not taking damage if she got blindsided by it just like how Kaido doesnt need ACoC to tank attacks that blindside him.

She didn't get "blindsided" by it. She used CoA when she had the opportunity of not using CoA and straight up taking it.

 

[Ven437]

Kaido durability is top tier. He's nearly impossible to hurt and even harder to scar or cause any permanent or significant damage.

Killer attack bypass the scales. That means he didn't have to defeat the scales to hurt him. That's what happens when you bypass a defense.

Big Mom's durability not greater than Kaido. If Oda wanted hard to have greater durability then he would shown Big Mom receive attacks from Luffy using eternal destruction haki and Zoro using barrier haki and receiving less damaged in Kaido. Like just did with King.

Oda already established BM's durability back in WCI as exceptional, the iron balloon, requiring some emotional trauma BS to negate it. She literally tanked an enhanced Zeus attack that caused a damn crater on the ground and kept going like nothing happened.

She doesnt need to prove anything.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Meme bleeding from her mouth an eyes. She doesn’t have external wounds. Tho Why wouldn’t Kaido be hurt?? We literally see law use the same method with rocks. An Kaido yelling out. The attacks attacking from all sides to create a pressurize effect. We know already that works on Kaido, since Kaido says so himself

Yeah internal damage occurs regardless of durability. Durability is a measure of toughness to external attacks. Kaido wouldn't bleed externally though since the attack just doesn't bypass his scales.

 

[BakiDou]

A fking rock koed lolro for some seconds, his durability is ass
This is what happens when a veteran tier character fight yc

 

[ShadyOjiro]

lol oda had to go and address this directly a few chapters ago because of readers like you who do not understand using a sword does not mean be a swordsman but it seems he was wasting his time

He addressed long ago.
Fujitora was classified as swordman. Law VC and Cabaji long ago.

Who said I classified all who have sword as swordman?

I mentioned confirmed cases.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Jack's feats was great in terms of overall powerscaling. He just suffered from off-paneling and since he mostly scales to the Mink's kings featwise, many circular logic is created to downplay him

If we look at the overall manga perspective

> The Zou minks warriors were mentioned to be one of the strongest warrior countries in the new world with even Oden hyping their strength in the decisive battle against Kaido

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> Sulong Carrot / Wanda were mentioned to be capable to defeat Perospero(who was lucky weather was in his favor)

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> Carrot / Wanda were just one of the countless musketeers, with Carrot being a musketeer in training

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> Portrayed inferior to the 3 musketeers / guardians(including BB and Giovani)

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> Yet Jack overwhelmed an army of Sulong Carrot / Wanda alongside musketeer / guardians(BB, Giovani, etc) even above that in his zoan form

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> And Inuarashi / Nekomamushi are the mink's kings, who not only Jack could outlast multiple times when they were switching to try to exhaust him every 12hours

> The moment Luffy saw Nekomamushi on Zou, he felt he was incredibly strong, with Sanji feeling incredible power and Capone(a SN) shivering infront of an injured Nekomamushi

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> But he had to fight both Inuarashi and Nekomamushi in their sulong forms just after exhausting himself fighting a country of mink warriors in their once in a time sulong forms, with even Kaido pointing out the fact that it's not that Jack is weak for ultimately losing to them, but just the sulong kings who are that strong

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And this is a Kaido who saw them fight with Jack losing, so knew exactly how strong they were. And as a comparative example, Kaido concluded that someone like Doffy must be weak for losing to Dressrosa SN after experiencing a battle against another SN portrayed on comparable level(Kid with Killer)

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Of course, injured Jack ended up losing to injured Sulong Inuarashi later, but looking at how much he went through in the arc, it makes sense

Couldn´t tell it better, what a waste of time, build up Jack this much, dude has legit his own fanbase only to trash him after so a great build up. His problem was the fucking whole offscreen shit, let hope @Paperchampion23 guess/predict coming true and he can stand up with awakening, beating down all Minks(hope sulong) and face Yamato(she need a opponent now, almost everyone get opponents).
At least we could witness awakened Jack and toei could do some work for his hybrid form against Sulong Inu.

Would be really sad if Oda let it like he did for now, after all the build up...

 

[Julius]

A fking rock koed lolro for some seconds, his durability is ass
This is what happens when a veteran tier character fight yc

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

He addressed long ago.
Fujitora was classified as swordman. Law VC and Cabaji long ago.

Who said I classified all who have sword as swordman?

I mentioned confirmed cases.

law vc doesn’t say anything about swordsmanship. Outside of fan art law never been referred to or treated as a swordsman

 

[Ven437]

It would be a very damaging move on Kaido - but he won't bleed from it externally since it doesn't bypass his scales. However BM will. That's the whole point.


She didn't get "blindsided" by it. She used CoA when she had the opportunity of not using CoA and straight up taking it.

Did I say she did? No I said IF she got blindsided by it she wouldnt take much damage.

BM used a no name haki arm slap and it literally drained a fresh G4 Luffy. Thats much force it took Luffy to combat it

 

[Thabeast]

Let's compare Yamato vs Kaido (Kaido using hybrid + advCoC + named attacks)

And then let's compare Zoro vs King

Yamato's performance is better, even facing a 30x stronger opponent

I used to think Yamato would go mid diff Zoro, but after this chapter it's a solid low diff.

Zoro embarassed Crydo though. Straight up permanently scarred him while Yamato didn't do crap. The only reason Kaido even defeated Zoro was because of Hakai.

I know Sanji fans like to erase the rooftop from their memories but this is sad lol

30x stronger ? Based on Sanji piece ? King performed better than Crydo. Cope harder

 

[CbShadow]

Oda already established BM's durability back in WCI as exceptional, the iron balloon, requiring some emotional trauma BS to negate it. She literally tanked an enhanced Zeus attack that caused a damn crater on the ground and kept going like nothing happened.

She doesnt need to prove anything.

I never stated she wasn't durable. But her having an iron balloon like body doesn't mean her durability is equal or greater than Kaido. As I said in my earlier post, if Oda wanted her to have greater durability than Kaido he would have showed us by having her tank the same attacks used against Kaido better.

He never did that or hype her durability up greater than Kaido's.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

law vc doesn’t say anything about swordsmanship. Outside of fan art law never been referred to or treated as a swordsman

Talks bout it kinda similar to Shanks.

Oh I forgot bout that thanks for reminding me that such drawing was accepted and published in the volume.
The three swordmans it was or something.
So even more things to say it's accepted as one.

Btw back to more spanking? There's no win for you bud law is destined to be below

 

[ConquistadoR]

Did I say she did? No I said IF she got blindsided by it she wouldnt take much damage.

BM used a no name haki arm slap and it literally drained a fresh G4 Luffy. Thats much force it took Luffy to combat it

Yeah she's crazy durable no contest about that. My point is that Kaido is slightly more durable that's all.

 

[Kurozumi Giggio]

Yes the belly has scales. What you are describing is nothing more than an artistic choice. It only becomes non headcanon once the manga implies Kaido has a portion of his body completely Unguarded. Hell why killer even shock Kaido can be cut?? The whole middle of his belly supposedly has no scales

i'm not saying it's unguarded , i'm saying the SCALES ARE HARDER THEN THE BELLY FOOL , Killer clearly states
1) *before sonic scyte* Killer : " we have have seen hell because of this tough HIDE "
2)*after tatsumaki* Killer : " he cut trough his SCALES"

DRAGON SCALES ARE HARDEN THEN THE HIDE , it's a logic based fact , if you deny it you are dumb as fuck unless you have evidence of the contrary

 

[Blackbeard]

let hope @Paperchampion23 guess/predict coming true and he can stand up with awakening, beating down all Minks(hope sulong) and face Yamato(she need a opponent now, almost everyone get opponents).
At least we could witness awakened Jack and toei could do some work for his hybrid form against Sulong Inu.

Oda's reaction if he ever read that:

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[ShadyOjiro]

I never stated she wasn't durable. But her having an iron balloon like body doesn't mean her durability is equal or greater than Kaido. As I said in my earlier post, if Oda wanted her to have greater durability than Kaido he would have showed us by having her tank the same attacks used against Kaido better.

He never did that or hype her durability up greater than Kaido's.

They want to give BM things Oda never gave said.

BM is durable as heck but this was never to be said comparable or greater to kaido.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

N-No Oda can't say and show on the chapter that King is tougher than Kaido...we Luffytards run the show...Luffy is the best...

 

[Zowo]

king more durable than big mom to btw