Has Queen been defeated?


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zoro couldnt do shit to king doesnt mean king more durable than kaido, its just that zoro is weak and needed to advCOC to match king’s basic COA
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Except Zoro could do lots of shit to Kaido just fine.

And before you bitch about it, yes with Enma, just like he couldn't do shit to King, again, with Enma.
 
In terms of pure swordmanship, smoothie >>> king.

King doesn't even Have a sword, a style, he has a COMB and McChicken wings
Honestly yeah
When it comes to staight up swordsmanship it probably goes shiryu > smoothie > cracker as for the top 3
With their swords seemingly a major part of their arsenal while most the beast pirates king included dont seem to take it very seriously
 

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Remember when "Pure Swordsmen" didn't exist, and anyone who carried a Sword was automatically a Swordsman. Then King came along, whipped out a Sword, and boldly proclaimed he wasn't a Swordsman, subsequently handing the Zoro fandom an L, more than a decade in the making? :josad:
Twisting panels context to feed your own narrative??


King never called him a swordsman because he didn't feel like sticking to traditional means.

The context here is to use anything to win.


In below panel, king was using sword but then suddenly switched to punching zoro




It's after this zoro goes on saying - you never called yourself a swordman. Have it your way"


But the context becomes clear when zoro further says - I might be willing to BITE your throat to because I can't afford to lose"


The context here clearly is about doing anything to win the fight - using cheap tricks as well which go against swordsmanship code/theme underlying wano samurais. That's why king never called him proper swordman.




But in one piece haki is integral to swordsmanship and many of you distinguish it from swordsmanship to put shanks over mihawk which was headcannon
 
So let me get this straight BillSlipton..... Queen with his flying wind fist can Hit Sanji but Zoro with Asura Cant?


Ooh a panel of sanji being hit but in reality when said to sanji that he was careless and that was why he got hit. He was wrestling with his mind. Learn how to understand what it is you're reading
 
Remember when "Pure Swordsmen" didn't exist, and anyone who carried a Sword was automatically a Swordsman. Then King came along, whipped out a Sword, and boldly proclaimed he wasn't a Swordsman, subsequently handing the Zoro fandom an L, more than a decade in the making? :josad:
remember when shankstards and luffytards used to say the coc is something that gonna make shanks more than a swordsman:josad:
turned out something like this
turns out shanks just a swordsman with conq coating
mihawk is the wss :cheers:
mihawk>shanks
 
Hakiman was one of the main driving factors of the pure swordsmanship crowd, lets not kid ourselves here.

It was a coping mechanism to keep the shanks>mihawk agenda alive, because shanks uses advanced coc which isnt considered in the wss title (supposedly).

Even without zoro being a hakiman now, his past fights already showed how ridiculous this concept was.

And well, zoro now getting coc and scarring kaido, another yonko, is a huge L for the pure swordsmanship/anti-zoro crowd.

Meanwhile zoro fans are eating really good in the wano arc, which makes the downplay attempts
Some desperate Shanks fans tried to use the "But but Haki" excuse, but that never got them far.

Reasonable fans argued and maintained the "Live by the Sword, die by the Sword" concept, which was heavily argued against by Zoro fans. It was always "If you carry a Sword, you are a Swordsman. No if and's or buts about it."

Well, the jury is back from deliberation, and it turns out, that you are not in fact a true swordsman, just because you carry a Sword.

Decade long debate has now been closed.

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