not really, if you have Law and Kid awakening powers you can hurt them too, they bypass the defense. and really lumping King along Kaido? funny , King's defense has a weaknes it cannot be maintained if he uses his speed and Zoro was able to hurt him using adcoc but only in his speed mode anyway. but sure it seems you assume Zoro is above Law and Kid he is not. by the way Yamato has adCoC and could not hurt Kaido at all.
We have a direct comparison b/w King and Kaido via Zoro's attacks so there is no denying King's defense being up there with Kaido unless we're delusional or just blind to the facts. We don't exactly know how much King's defense weakens without his flames on but Zoro, who was already hurting Kaido with COC, still needed COC to put him down. That says something. Zoro is stronger than Kid and Law by all intents and purposes. They have no business being above even Yamato, forget about Zoro.
What we learned from Luffy and Zoro fighting Kaido is that COC works better on Kaido than the other abilities. So Yamato does have the ability to inflict damage on Kaido but she doesn't have enough AP to damage him significantly. Law's awakening works on Kaido but it won't be as effective as it was on Big Mom while Kid has no argument whatsoever.
I thought Kaido's durability was entirely tied to his Oni species. Yamato clearly has the same durability too combined with her ice armor.
I agree that BM was never noted for having the same Tenacity/durability as Kaido. Her iron balloon defense has nothing to do with soaking damage once it's bypassed. Kaido on the otherhand has constantly been bloody since 986 and continues to fight.
It's a mixture of his innate physical prowess and his devil's fruit IMO. But his dragon scales are hyped and credited the most for his defense, so his DF is the primary reason why his defense is as good as it is. As for Yamato, she too is a Mythical Zoan so she'd get whatever physical boosts her DF offers on top of her Oni genetics.
So you switch Kaido with King in rooftop, and King is beating them? Literally no one has aCoC there
Me: King is more durable than Roger
You: So you think King is stronger than Roger.
I don't have the mental capacity to address this level of twisting of arguments.
Read what I said again. I said Zoro never hurt him without COC when King's flames were off. And I also addressed the Onigiri part; Zoro's attacks stopped working on King after his initial attack. Shishi sonson is a superior attack designed only to break defenses and it couldn't put a dent on King.
ShiShi Sonson is stronger than Onigiri by all intents and purposes as far as breaking defenses go. So the worst we can say here is that King's defense adopted Zoro's attacks after Onigiri or Oda was just inconsistent.
Zoro literally asked king why he wasn't tanking his attacks anymore making it clear that the durability feature of king was being no diffed by zoros advanced coC
Yeah, they should work on him according to this but we also never saw him hurt him with his flames on.
Zoro never landed a hit on him when his flames were off(albeit he did clash with hybrid King)
Exactly, how do you suppose non-COC attacks can effectively damage him when we've never seen them work on him? Even in non-defense mode Ultra Tiger Hunt grazed his face and did nothing to him. Even after COC power-up, Zoro left no visible marks on his body despite making him bleed so it's only logical to assume non-COC attacks would work worse than that.