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I think post-ts is only disappointing in retrospective because of Wano (which is the culminating point of everything that has been build up since Punk Hazard), she had moments in the arc she was present in (no dressrosa) and WCI was promising without needing any 1 vs 1.
You're right, I won't deny that post TS Nami had her moments (forgiving Jinbe, the stuff with the PH kids, ...) but like you said Wano's been the climax of a 10+ years build up and it's just been one L after the other for Nami... It's just sad IMO that in over 400+ chapters, she only really had 1 arc (WCI) where she really felt like one of the MCs like pre TS IMO
Big Mom doing what she did, under the context, makes some sense, but being there at the time and place. Is another thing, Nami should be dead or severely damaged. Oda nerfed Ulti just for Nami.
Can we honestly believe someone who had to have Luffy needing to use G4 to get out of her grip, plus her headbutts, could do the whatever to Nami and still "lose"?
Suspension of disbelief is utterly destroyed.
Yeah sadly there's really no way to justify it
Unironically enough I'd have prefered Ulti just understimating Nami like Miss Doublefinger and Khalifa did back in pre TS...
 
Rukia is the best out of the female "leads" by a mile.
Spittin fr.

She was a pretty solid character for a shonen. Out of the big 3, I'd say Bleach has the best female characters, each character designed differently and all of them have unique and interesting personalities. One Piece definitely , and Naruto not even being in the list with it's trash cast.
 
I think oda has certain amount of thought in the way he writes female characters

They can't be physical fighters is one of the rules ; big bust is second

Even characters who are made to physical ones like ulti or yamato are tomboyish in nature

As for MCs pre skip nami was goated especially early pre skip ; post skip nami suck
 
I think oda has certain amount of thought in the way he writes female characters

They can't be physical fighters is one of the rules ; big bust is second

Even characters who are made to physical ones like ulti or yamato are tomboyish in nature

As for MCs pre skip nami was goated especially early pre skip ; post skip nami suck
If only Oda could get over "women must have only big boobs" thing. Not every guy likes them.
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Nami still had issues pre time skip but post ts has made her Abysmal.
 
  • CP0 intervening saves Luffy's life (even though he died:catblush:). Kaido can't lop Luffy's head off and parade it downstairs to demoralize the alliance like he said at the end of 1013 because he's ashamed of how he won. Kaido may even secretly wish Luffy gets back up so they can settle the score for real, better just leave him alone for now.

  • Kaido declaring the raiders and Wano will receive the harshest slavery is terrifying evil, but I see it as him venting his frustrations. He was denied finishing the best fight he had in years. The alliance with Big Mom is over. His crew proved to be full of weaklings and losers, he can only rely on himself. Reality has hit hard for Kaido and all he can do is take it out on others.

  • Tama told she lost one brother at the beginning of Wano and now losing her other bro. It's a small panel but really impactful that her reaction was included here.

  • If I have a problem with Joyboy, it's that he easily overshadows figures like Whitebeard, Xebec, Roger, etc. Pirate King Roger merely found Joyboy's treasure. For Luffy who has not beaten a Yonko to already be compared to someone greater than Roger is too early. The best way to save this is for the final arc to emphasize that Luffy being Joyboy doesn't mean anything because Joyboy failed anyway, requiring Luffy look deep inside himself and a reach a state/title not even Joyboy could.
Marco remaining levelheaded shows he learned from Marineford. Throw in the Payback war too, he's gotten too used to losing. The man is experiencing the same nightmare again when his own captain Whitebeard and now Nami's captain Luffy died. The battle is about to turn sour for his side but Marco still believes if they hold it together then there is hope. They're not dead yet, they're not slaves yet, if they hang on then a miracle like Shanks showing up to stop the war is possible. And he is absolutely right.:phoenixmarco:

After Kaido puts down Samurai culture last chapter for throwing their lives away so the losers can save face, I like that it's Yamato now putting the same idea on a pedestal. Momo still doesn't under what being a samurai means, if the borders should be opened, if surrendering would save the most lives. Yamato steps in as Oden and guides her son. She references the Daimyo who refused to bend the knee to Kaido and died fighting him -- these were the samurai in the cave with her, she KNEW these guys and was greatly influenced by them. Yamato and the Daimyo who died all idolized Oden, this suicidal behavior is not contradictory or turning a page on how Oden behaved.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If Oden knew Orochi and Kaido were never to be trusted, he would have slayed them 25 years ago rather than giving them an extra 5 years to gather strength. This is the lesson Yamato is passing on to Momo now. There is no surrendering, there is no making deals with Kaido anymore. This is the final battle as it was for Oden in Udon Vs Kaido. Kaido's executives have been defeated, Kaido himself is looking close to defeat, there are plenty of strong allies still left standing, a basement full of bombs that could defeat Kaido in a suicidal charge like Big Mom. But any slim chance of victory goes away the moment Momo surrenders.

Luffy died without a smile. You can chalk it up as a reason why Luffy didn't actually die, but for me this shows what the Will of D really represents. Luffy died caught off guard. He was not ready to concede and is in no way satisfied with this defeat. He may have accepted death as a minnow in Loguetown, but on the verge of beating a Yonko, liberating Wano and achieving his dream -- Luffy dies feeling his job was not done and his will was not ready to pass on.

Each D and faux D like Oden dies with a smile knowing they did what they could to advance the cause, that their work and collective dream will be carried on by their descendants. In essence, they smile because their dreams are not dead but part of a collective unbroken chain passed down for generations. Joyboy did his part creating One Piece. Roger did his part starting the Great Pirate Age. Minor Ds did their part if only giving birth to other Ds. Luffy's role is to take their work, put it all together, and fulfill the purpose of the D clan. It's a collective effort that took countless individuals and civilizations 800+ years. Luffy=Joyboy doesn't look like reincarnation but rather affirmation that the beginning and the end are finally becoming linked together. Joyboy started the Will of D, Luffy will complete it.
 
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I saw this take so many times since Ulti vs Nami happened and yet pre TS Oda still managed to give her fights in Alabasta, Skypiea, Enies Lobby and WCI for post TS too... So which way is it?
Did Oda regret making Nami actually someone who could put up a fight in Wano?
I was hoping all SHs developed some minor haki this arc if not all to develop CoA, I deluded myself:josad:
 

Finalbeta

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That's kinda the point IMO
Nami developing CoO'd help her greatly since she's really fragile and with it she could dodge deadly hits for her with ease
I don't think Zeus will help her much on that side, he is prominently used to shock the enemies with powerful thunders but she isn't that covered defensively imo. :happinesspunch:
 
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That's kinda the point IMO
Nami developing CoO'd help her greatly since she's really fragile and with it she could dodge deadly hits for her with ease
Even as a gag, imagine Nami developing CoO focusing on greed in others and finding treasure easily, even if its buried?

I also thought of her specialising in CoO for seeing into people's hearts/souls, reading their pure/instinctive intentions and nature's and or looking for children and maybe women in danger (similarly to how I feel Sanjis is funnily enough) and thus playing on Namis motherly instincts and upbringing by her step mother and Nojiko. She also had the moustache guy with the windmill hat ofc, I forgot his name but behind with G?

Maybe Nami could even be like an expert poker player and thus reading people with CoO that way too?

I wanted her to be a CoO specialist given her fighting style and fragility but especially as she's an amazing navigator and has immense talent for weather sensing and such.

But as we know, Lolda and his Will of Misogyny.

I thought she would awaken CoA this arc too, so she can infuse her weapon with it and even Zeus potentially when he transformed into a mice for her. Also to help her to actually defend and survive ofc.
At this point, Oda doesn't just drop the ball, he picks it back up and drops it again and rinse repeats it endlessly.
 
Even as a gag, imagine Nami developing CoO focusing on greed in others and finding treasure easily, even if its buried?

I also thought of her specialising in CoO for seeing into people's hearts/souls, reading their pure/instinctive intentions and nature's and or looking for children and maybe women in danger (similarly to how I feel Sanjis is funnily enough) and thus playing on Namis motherly instincts and upbringing by her step mother and Nojiko. She also had the moustache guy with the windmill hat ofc, I forgot his name but behind with G?

Maybe Nami could even be like an expert poker player and thus reading people with CoO that way too?

I wanted her to be a CoO specialist given her fighting style and fragility but especially as she's an amazing navigator and has immense talent for weather sensing and such.

But as we know, Lolda and his Will of Misogyny.

I thought she would awaken CoA this arc too, so she can infuse her weapon with it and even Zeus potentially when he transformed into a mice for her. Also to help her to actually defend and survive ofc.
At this point, Oda doesn't just drop the ball, he picks it back up and drops it again and rinse repeats it endlessly.
Unironically thinking that Oda will make the gag of Nami's naked body be Conqueror's Haki canon soon...
Which would've been based maybe pre TS where it still felt like Nami had her own agency of when to appear naked in front of people but certainly not post TS where's just stripped naked by others or she gets groped against her will...
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I don't think Zeus will help her much on that side, he is prominently used to shock the enemies with powerful thunders but she isn't that covered defensively imo. :happinesspunch:
That's a good point, I just wanna see a scene where Nami is in control and it's not Zeus saving her from danger like round 3 of vs Ulti... Maybe if Oda shows us that, I'll be more keen on this supposed relationship between her and Zeus
 
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Unironically thinking that Oda will make the gag of Nami's naked body be Conqueror's Haki canon soon...
Which would've been based maybe pre TS where it still felt like Nami had her own agency of when to appear naked in front of people but certainly not post TS where's just stripped naked by others or she gets groped against her will...
Oh god no...Tbh I noticed her Happiness Punch and ability to hurt people like Luffy reminds me of Garps Fist Of Love and I wanted it to be her subconsciously using CoA or even CoC with her punches to hurt others. Not just a gag thing.
 
Oh god no...Tbh I noticed her Happiness Punch and ability to hurt people like Luffy reminds me of Garps Fist Of Love and I wanted it to be her subconsciously using CoA or even CoC with her punches to hurt others. Not just a gag thing.
Lol I thought this was a thing since the chapter in the bathhouse in Wano where it happened in the same chapter as Luffy using Conquerors in the Prison
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anyone watched the new Yude-Ron theory. Mentions Nami's link to the Oil/Resin fruit. Whole thing is smelling of a Kishimoto and Loda doing a typical women ending
 
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