Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1048 Spoilers Discussion
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I have to write too much for that.
Introduce as a character that loves money - we end up learning why and how she is going to use it up to save her Village.
Started as hating pirate - end up joining one
Literally forgive Jinbei.
Trying to save Camie no matter whatever.
Not much of fighter , still fights for other.
Her most of the battle has been about other person and not herself.
Too many things , it will take too much time forget it.
Just read onigashima. Despite being sideline , she showed better character than any other strawhat.
Introduce as a character that loves money - we end up learning why and how she is going to use it up to save her Village.
Started as hating pirate - end up joining one
Literally forgive Jinbei.
Trying to save Camie no matter whatever.
Not much of fighter , still fights for other.
Her most of the battle has been about other person and not herself.
Too many things , it will take too much time forget it.
Just read onigashima. Despite being sideline , she showed better character than any other strawhat.
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Big Mom - a delusional womanchild who grew up forming her own moral code about the world around her and developed severe trust issues due to being abandoned at an early age and having a two faced witch who only took advantage of her monstrous strength as her mentor
Kaido - a literal monster who's obsessed with proving his real strength to the world but isn't able to do so, also obsessed with other notions like someone's death and legacy but doesn't really understand the real meaning behind them
That's my analysis of Kaido (so far) and BM
Kaido - a literal monster who's obsessed with proving his real strength to the world but isn't able to do so, also obsessed with other notions like someone's death and legacy but doesn't really understand the real meaning behind them
That's my analysis of Kaido (so far) and BM
She was good till Arlong park and her backstory too
Outside of that what.
Especially after timeskip, legit no reason to enjoy from her, and become Mrs Fan service in later stages. That's not just from me, it is what most fandom feel like too
What you said was all the good about her and you're not wrong, all other SH member have just as all the good in them to be mention and reason to like them
I get what you enjoy about her and i don't have reason to downgrade, but I'm waiting for the person i quote
Outside of that what.
Especially after timeskip, legit no reason to enjoy from her, and become Mrs Fan service in later stages. That's not just from me, it is what most fandom feel like too
What you said was all the good about her and you're not wrong, all other SH member have just as all the good in them to be mention and reason to like them
I get what you enjoy about her and i don't have reason to downgrade, but I'm waiting for the person i quote
Based on that TO ME, Big Mom is more interesting and a more unusual character
To me there is lots of reasons to enjoy her. She is considered one the weakest members and routinely is the one directly arguing with Luffy but when it comes down to it she’ll be the first to believe in his dream and their goal. That’s what her arc has been in the 4 emperors sagas. She’s a very endearing good character who will shine even more when her importance increases at the end of the series
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To me there is lots of reasons to enjoy her. She is considered one the weakest members and routinely is the one directly arguing with Luffy but when it comes down to it she’ll be the first to believe in his dream and their goal. That’s what her arc has been in the 4 emperors sagas. She’s a very endearing good character who will shine even more when her importance increases at the end of the series
How does he not have goals?
- wanted to change the world
- wanted to become Joyboy
- said he chose wano out of all places for a specific reason
- aimed for the ancient weapons to claim the one piece
Kaido is clearly more ambitious in the grand scheme. Big Mom spent her life producing children, since she could not build a powerful crew based on people who follow and trust her due to her sheer strength.
- wanted to change the world
- wanted to become Joyboy
- said he chose wano out of all places for a specific reason
- aimed for the ancient weapons to claim the one piece
Kaido is clearly more ambitious in the grand scheme. Big Mom spent her life producing children, since she could not build a powerful crew based on people who follow and trust her due to her sheer strength.
I recommend reading @KiriNigiri's "Zoro's Second Confrontation With Kaido". It makes the case that Zoro has unfinished business with Kaido at much greater length.
I do not intend to rehash anything that was already covered in the above post, so I'll focus exclusively on the other reasons to believe that Zoro might yet slay Kaido.
The Necessity of Kaido's Death
Zoro the Dragon Slayer
Conclusions
Recent chapters have tempered my faith in ZKK, and I now think it's much less likely than I did a month ago. That said, I am not yet willing to write it off. Leaving aside whether Oda follows through with killing Kaido off, I still think it's more likely than not that Zoro will get his dragon-slaying moment where he cuts him down.
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I do not intend to rehash anything that was already covered in the above post, so I'll focus exclusively on the other reasons to believe that Zoro might yet slay Kaido.
The Necessity of Kaido's Death
I'd like to briefly recap the evidence in favour of Kaido's death (and why it's likely by beheading). If you've not read it yet, I recommend reading @Garp the Fist's "The Grand Kaido and Wano Death Compilation. It makes this argument at a much greater length.
Scabbards
Oden
Ace
Kaido
Conclusions
The necessity — you could even say the inevitability — of Kaido's death has been mentioned by at least five separate (groups of) characters:
If there's any character in One Piece that is destined for death, then it is without a doubt Hundred Beasts Kaido.
Scabbards
The Scabbards expressed their desire to "take Kaido's head":
They stressed the need to "sever his windpipe":
They reiterated that the battle with Kaido is not over until he has been slain:
They stressed the need to "sever his windpipe":
They reiterated that the battle with Kaido is not over until he has been slain:
Oden
Oden himself has spoken of the need to kill Kaido.
He said that he came to cut off Kaido's head in his sleep:
He reiterated that he intends to behead Kaido:
Yamato
Yamato consented to Kaido's death:
He said that he came to cut off Kaido's head in his sleep:
He reiterated that he intends to behead Kaido:
Yamato
Yamato consented to Kaido's death:
Ace
Yamato said that Ace came to kill Kaido:
Ace himself stated that he's here to take Kaido's head:
Ace himself stated that he's here to take Kaido's head:
Kaido
Finally, Kaido himself has repeatedly expressed his desire for (a glorious) death.
His introduction chapter is titled "Suicide":
He's searching for a place to die:
His hobby is suicide, and he laments that he survived his latest attempt:
He stated that because the Scabbards remind him of Oden, he could have let them kill him:
He believes that "death is what completes a person":
His introduction chapter is titled "Suicide":
He's searching for a place to die:
His hobby is suicide, and he laments that he survived his latest attempt:
He stated that because the Scabbards remind him of Oden, he could have let them kill him:
He believes that "death is what completes a person":
Conclusions
The necessity — you could even say the inevitability — of Kaido's death has been mentioned by at least five separate (groups of) characters:
- The Nine Scabbards
- Oden
- Yamato
- Ace
- Kaido himself
If there's any character in One Piece that is destined for death, then it is without a doubt Hundred Beasts Kaido.
Zoro the Dragon Slayer
Now that I've covered why Kaido will die, I'd like to look at the evidence in favour of Zoro being the one to perform the deed. As I mentioned earlier, I'm not going to repeat anything that was covered in @KiriNigiri's "Zoro's Second Confrontation With Kaido" so please read it if you haven't already.
Character Statements
Supplementary Canon Material
Shounen Jump Covers
One Piece Anime
Trivia
Character Statements
Yasuie
Yasuie's words at his execution have still not yet been vindicated:
This is pretty suggestive of Zoro being the one to take Kaido's head. This is what is normally called foreshadowing.
Yasuie's words at his execution have still not yet been vindicated:
This is pretty suggestive of Zoro being the one to take Kaido's head. This is what is normally called foreshadowing.
Supplementary Canon Material
One Piece Website
One Piece Magazines
One Piece Magazines
One Piece Magazine Volume 5 said that Zoro might slay an Eastern Dragon:
In case there was any ambiguity about the Dragon they were referring to, they described Eastern Dragons with a picture of Kaido:
One Piece Magazine Volume 6 said that the Second Ryuma might have already been born:
It goes without saying, that Ryuma's most iconic legend is slaying a Dragon over the Flower Capital:
In case there was any ambiguity about the Dragon they were referring to, they described Eastern Dragons with a picture of Kaido:
One Piece Magazine Volume 6 said that the Second Ryuma might have already been born:
It goes without saying, that Ryuma's most iconic legend is slaying a Dragon over the Flower Capital:
Shounen Jump Covers
The Shounen Jump cover for Issue 47 had the caption: "two pirates kill the evil spirit" with a picture of Zoro and Luffy crossing swords in front of Kaido:
One Piece Anime
The One Piece Anime Eye Catcher for Episode 973 featured Zoro slaying the Punk Hazard Dragon:
The Anime also spoiled that Kyoshiro is Denjiro.
Shimizu from Toei commented that the ending of Wano will be "surprising":
The Anime also spoiled that Kyoshiro is Denjiro.
Shimizu from Toei commented that the ending of Wano will be "surprising":
Trivia
One Piece Treasure Cruise described Zoro and Luffy as the saviours of Wano:
Interlude
Narrative
Interlude
Unless Oda has been consistently lying through his characters and supplementary canon material, he has set up Zoro to cut down Kaido and become a "saviour" to the people of Wano. Nothing Zoro has accomplished so far (blocking Hakai, scarring Kaido), qualify him for the title of a saviour. Especially when none of the Wano inhabitants witnessed his feats. If Zoro is to be recognised by the people of Wanokuni as a saviour — if he's to be acknowledged as the Second Ryuma — then he needs to replicate Ryuma's legend and deliver the country from its darkest hour.
Narrative
Leaving aside Yasuie's words and the supplementary material, Zoro seems to have been set up for something monumental/important in this arc. Even if he's not going to be recognised as the Second Ryuma, he needs to do something monumental that would cause the people of Wanokuni to acknowledge him.
- He promised that he would round up the Samurai, but failed to do so.
- He was scorned as a Grave Robber that stole Shusui and caused misfortune to befall the country.
- He's requested to be taken to Ryuma's grave after the end of the battle.
- The Scabbards (e.g. Kawamatsu) did not consider him to be someone worthy of receiving Enma.
Conclusions
Recent chapters have tempered my faith in ZKK, and I now think it's much less likely than I did a month ago. That said, I am not yet willing to write it off. Leaving aside whether Oda follows through with killing Kaido off, I still think it's more likely than not that Zoro will get his dragon-slaying moment where he cuts him down.
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If ZKK doesn't happen it will be weird. I can't imagine Kaido turning neutral/good or getting into jail or shit.
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