Which character is stronger ?


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HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Listen to yourself. How is it considered a form when he can only use it once in a single attack. Never mind the fact that there are 3 variations of it. If it's a style then it's not considered a transformation.
He can use it for more than one attack.
You just can't read

Tf does that mean ?
Is g4 not a form because he can use 3 attack in it ???
 

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You don't need future sight to dodge attacks, and Oda has always made it clear when future sight is used in battle before with speed lines drawn around the user or the user specifically calling out the event before it happens.
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It's blatantly obvious Luffy's using FS to dodge Lucci.

If you think G5 is comparable to ACoC as a boost, then do you think G5 Luffy with only ACoA could've dueled Kaido the way he did from 1026 to 1042? Luffy used three attacks with basic CoA (wasn't even shown properly with two of them) and KO'd Lucci, an awakened zoan user and an elite member of CP0. How do you manage to downplay Luffy based off of this?
Of course, it can. Did you see how ridiculous G5's physical prowess is? He's legit playing with Kaido. G5 is actually a bigger power-up with CoC. The Gorosei didn't give a flying fuck about Luffy's CoC, it's the awakening that scared them shitless. They were even willing to troll Kaido to avoid it. Lol, no one's downplaying Luffy. I've been defending Luffy writing walls of text explaining to people how he only used a fraction of G5's powers to absolutely dominate Lucci's strongest mode. However, it's a fact that Luffy tried a lot more against Lucci than Zoro did against Kaku. Thinking otherwise is plain ignorance and irrational.

Luffy used Gear 5 and basic CoA, Zoro used all three swords and basic CoA. Luffy KO'd Lucci, while Zoro merely knocked Kaku down and didn't come close to KO'ing him.
This is by far the most ridiculous way to look at things. Zoro using 3 swords and Luffy using G5 aren't even remotely close to being similar. Zoro using 3 swords is the equivalent of Luffy fighting in the base without gears or haki. Since Zoro improved drastically after TS, you could say Zoro's base is now equivalent to G2 and G3 for the sake of fair comparison. Zoro did not even use named attacks—not even the low-tier attacks. Luffy had an equal clash with Lucci in G5 while using CoA while Zori legit countered two consecutive named attacks and slammed Kaku down without even using named attacks. It's genuinely mind-boggling that anyone with a little sense of logic would think the former is more impressive than the latter.
 
I'm a Drake fan and his performance was just painful. Seriously disappointing. Urouge already beat Snack before we saw the Straw Hats encounter a Commander so I'm sure wherever he is, Oda will do him justice.
At this point, I think Oda has some inkling over how he has written Drake and how it looks; it could be intentional and he has something planned—it’s possible—we just have to wait and see when he does eventually return to the spotlight.
 
He wants you to remember the difference in potential, power and ability between Jabra and Kaku, since Jabra is your all time go-to cope. Can't wait to see him necro all the doriki/Kaku/Jabra threads on the internet. :ihaha:
Nah, he thinks he is extremely accurate because nobody cares enough to start a discussion about it

And that is because he swears to god that Sanji doesn't bothers him, but we know what the truth is

 
Your using Anime as evidence now? Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess. :milaugh:

He has the anime over the manga now because Toei is full of Zoro's fanfic supporters

You have them completely changing manga panels to benefit Zoro, even changing the meaning of sentences :kobeha:

Those guys really made Zoro cut the ground Big Mom was in for no reason, making Law and Kid's efforts to make Big Mom fall from the rooftop seem completely useless
 
Arguing who looks better is pointless when deep down everyone knows where they stand, just seems like pointless powerscaling and bickering, powerscaling makes more sense when it's about characters with unknown rankings, it's like arguing a strawhat looks wiser than Robin if they say something she didn't know about.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
G4 is a form that lasts for entire chapters. It's completely different and it doesn't disappear until Luffy runs out of stamina. Asura is used once and that's it.
Why you still talking ? You've been bodied enough

No it doesn't
The first time he used it he cut kakus strongest attack
Then cut kaku
So not one attack
And then the fight was over.


Second time he cut the pacifista
Again the fight was over

The last time he used it
He clashed with kaido multiple times with a broken body and no stamina
And then scarred him and collapsed because he had no energy.
 
It's not BS. Luffy actually knocked Lucci out which is why they got away. All Zoro did this chapter is repel an attack by a much weaker opponent. How exactly did he look better?


He never knocked him out.
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Zoro doesn't have forms. He has only Haki and swords. Anything else is headcannon. Luffy used armament same as Zoro.







Luffy might have use maybe 2 attacks the whole fight and he knocked Lucci out. Meanwhile Zoro did nothing but block an attack from Kaku which basically did nothing.







Doesn't exactly make a difference what Zoro did or didn't do. His fight just started while Luffy finished his and got away.
Lucci wasn't KO and Luffy used 3 name attacks Zoro used none. Lucci n Luffy clashed with haki both got sent back whileKaku in his clash Zoro overpowered
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Luffy used Gear 5 but no advanced haki (ACoC made him top-tier, not G5), he didn't get hit even once by Lucci beyond that one clash, and he caused Lucci to lose consciousness (by his own admission) with just three attacks. Zoan awakening boosting recovery is a thing btw, and Lucci slandering Luffy means absolutely nothing lol, unless you actually value the opinion of that CD dickrider.















Kaku, who is weaker than Lucci, looked just fine after getting overpowered by Zoro.















Both Luffy and Zoro are way stronger than Lucci and Kaku, and Luffy is clearly stronger than Zoro while Lucci is clearly stronger than Kaku. I don't know why you're trying to make Luffy bad here, when he actually brought Lucci to unconsciousness and Zoro didn't do the same against Kaku. But Zoro also didn't use any named attacks, so it's whatever.






Luffy literally says G5 is his peak and used haki got sent back along with Lucci while Zoro overpowered his haki clash
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They both went flying as an obvious callback to Enies Lobby. Literally 4 pages later we see Luffy punching Lucci in the stomach with the ground and no visible haki, successfully drawing blood lol
Doesn't matter if it was a call back it still happened .
 
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