I always says that. Vivre card can't be trusted because their information are often getting revised. Just like Yasuie not having eaten a SMILE fruit.
Like I said Oda already showed people using haki and DF powers underwater but never with Kairoseki. You don't have a clear argument on that so you keep doing a bunch of little meaningless arguments trying to compesate.
An imagem > 1000 words.