Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1104 Spoilers Discussion

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Paperchampion23

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We are in really weird territory right now though with Kizaru. For the first time ever, Luffy fought someone and hasnt straight up defeated them.

- Kizaru wasnt Blueno'ed or Cracker'ed, he wasnt knocked out or even properly bleeding. He is up still an active threat prior to when he was hit.
- He wasnt Hody'ed, Enel'ed or Moria'ed either, where he's just not clearly shown in a situation to be "inferior" to Luffy and is still the villain. This is not the case because Luffy wasnt up moving around after his hit with Kizaru either and is now MIA.


Which quite literally leaves us with only 2 options:
- He is still in fact Luffy's fight because Oda never established a clear victory against an Admiral for Luffy
- Oda is setting an entirely new precedent where Lufdy just doesnt straight up wop or defeat his enemies.

For the record, Lucci was recked by Luffy, so he does not fit this category, plus he is a former villain so there is nothing to prove to the reader lol.

Im sorry but there really is no reasonable outcome where Oda doesnt allow the MC to officially defeat an Admiral, especially before one of his subordinates, who clearly can fight Fuji and Ryo when Luffy fights Akainu.
 
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Paperchampion23 said:
We are in really weird territory right now though with Kizaru. For the first time ever, Luffy fought someone and hasnt straight up defeated them.

- Kizaru wasnt Blueno'ed or Cracker'ed, he wasnt knocked out or even properly bleeding. He is up still an active threat prior to when he was hit.
- He wasnt Hody'ed, Enel'ed or Moria'ed either, where he's just not clearly shown in a situation to be "inferior" to Luffy and is still the villain. This is not the case because Luffy wasnt up moving around after his hit with Kizaru either and is now MIA.


Which quite literally leaves us with only 2 options:
- He is still in fact Luffy's fight because Oda never established a clear victory against an Admiral for Luffy
- Oda is setting an entirely new precedent where Lufdy just doesnt straight up wop or defeat his enemies.

For the record, Lucci was recked by Luffy, so he does not fit this category, plus he is a former villain so there is nothing to prove to the reader lol.

Im sorry but there really is no reasonable outcome where Oda doesnt allow the MC to officially defeat an Admiral, especially before one of his subordinates, who clearly can fight Fuji and Ryo when Luffy fights Akainu.
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Fuji will never be an enemy
 
Sentinel

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TheKnightOfTheSea said:
Kizaru struggling even slightly with Sanji is not objectively good for the admiral agenda.

Sanji literally got blink diffed a few chapters ago lmao
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Sanji is often used as a hypetool but objectively looking, Sanji IS quite strong. He's at least an upper high tier with his entire power.
The moment he awakened his powers, especially IJ, he overwhelmingly defeated Queen who was hyped by Marco as well.
Sanji is at least lower YC1 level imo.
 
SakazukiTheFist

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Wizak08 said:
Not only that but Sanji going mid diff with kizaru upscales Zoro even more now that he has ACoA + ACoC while Sanji has none. It will mean Zoro is admiral level and can defeat them.
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See. You guys are already making several headcanons on how the story will progress.

Sanji can or not fight Kizaru, it can be Low, Mid diff, it's all speculation, but somehow you guys make a turn to hype Zoro for no reason.
 
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Sentinel said:
It's not just a random fire attack, it's the fire fist which had been used by Ace and Sabo. It has high fire power and lethality. It is also one of Ace' strongest fire techniques even though it's a signature move.
You remember when Sabo used a Ryuo technique to split the arena in half? His fire fist tore through the entire arena, immediately vaporized all water and the fire punch went through the underground. Even then, Sabo's basic hardening techniques yeeted Burgess away through city blocks as well. Again, DR Sabo is weaker than current Sabo.
Bruh, Saturn flew through some buildings. This is visually no different to Sabo yeeting Burgess away.
Kuma has a physical advantage due to his race but Sabo is not that far weaker than Kuma. He's his student... Kuma taught him all those techniques and power.

You hear yourself? 1.) It's ACoC, 2.) Kuma's been using the same Haki which Sabo also demonstrated several times.
Plus, only because it's ACoC doesn't mean it hits harder than non ACoC attacks. Does base ACoC Yamato hit harder than rooftop Zoro's Shishisonson?
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Burgess got sent flying by dragon claw + fire
On top of that sabo s basic coa did more dmg than fire fist in the arena
 
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