Did Enma have Oden's haki in it?


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ZenZu

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Luffy FS is no where near shanks plus this Oda we talking about if he want FS to matter in that fight it will be and will be in shanks favour.
Also Snake man not even as fast as G5 and it been show that all you need is one good attack to TKO Kizaru and shanks would have that AP power .
Shanks is Oda golden boy you don't bet vs him Kid fans learn that the hard way .
I don't bet against Shanks in the universe, I think Oda will make even Teach his endgame villain look bad next to Shanks. I'm talking about a completely hypothetical plot free fight. Atm ignoring favouritism and all that stuff, I just don't see any reason to not give Kizaru the benefit of the doubt over a linear fighter like Shanks, when a combo of Snakeman which Kaidou couldn't even perceive + FS, was not enough to even make Kizaru sweat. That's just being biased af, the ball is now in Shanks' court to prove he can counter Kizaru, because FS and even Snakeman level of angles is not enough.

With someone like Akainu I can atleast make the argument for some wacky AOE stuff and a potential awakening doing Kizaru in. Shanks fights far too honestly from what we can tell, and he lacks Kaidou's overall mosterlike makeup. I can't just give him the W here because...

I'm not saying Shanks can't prove otherwise, but the ball is now in his court to do so. For reference, I think Shanks does better against Kaidou than Kizaru does against Kaidou.
 
I'm not even disappointed in Kizaru as a fighter, don't get me wrong I'm definitely disappointed that we couldn't see more of Kizaru in action.

But I'm more disappointed that we couldn't get more focus on his character, even if Kizaru does return in the future, I really don't think he will get the same major focus like he did in this arc.

I expect him to get outshined by Fujitora and Green Bull.
 
Nobody believed Lucci can 1 shot Sentomaru while Kizaru can't until it actually happens
Nobody believed Lucci shows awakening while Kizaru doesn't until it actually happens
Not baiting bro
But youre not using content here, Kizaru likes Sentomaru and was talking to him. Which is why he didnt immediately one shot him.

Also just because one has awakening doesnt make them stronger then the one who doesnt, is Lucci stronger then Kaido?
 
I don't bet against Shanks in the universe, I think Oda will make even Teach his endgame villain look bad next to Shanks. I'm talking about a completely hypothetical plot free fight. Atm ignoring favouritism and all that stuff, I just don't see any reason to not give Kizaru the benefit of the doubt over a linear fighter like Shanks, when a combo of Snakeman which Kaidou couldn't even perceive + FS, was not enough to even make him sweat. That's just being biased af, the ball is now in Shanks' court to prove he can counter Kizaru, because FS and even Snakeman level of angles is not enough.

With someone like Akainu I can atleast make the argument for some wacky AOE stuff and a potential awakening doing Kizaru in. Shanks fights far too honestly from what we can tell, and he lacks Kaidou's overall mosterlike makeup. I can't just give him the W here because...
tbh we haven't seen shit from shanks except for Divine Departure. An opening move he used against Midd. That's like Kaido's thunder bagua. Hardly his best stuff.

And Shanks also has shit like observation killing etc. That's gonna be incredibly useful against a fast fighter like Kizaru who uses coo at a high level to be accurate with his speed.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
tbh we haven't seen shit from shanks except for Divine Departure. An opening move he used against Midd. That's like Kaido's thunder bagua. Hardly his best stuff.

And Shanks also has shit like observation killing etc. That's gonna be incredibly useful against a fast fighter like Kizaru who uses coo at a high level to be accurate with his speed.
Yea I'm not disagreeing, which is why I said it's not a closed debate, the ball is just in Shanks' court. Atm benefit goes to Kizaru given my perception and the implication of how Shanks fights. If he busts out some crazy AOE feat, or some other haki susanoo shit, Kizaru might be cooked.
 
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