Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1143 Spoilers Discussion

[Johnny B. Decent]

For all those who think "Imu is the ancient evil, so he MUST be the big boss!", unlike Father from FMA who plotted from the shadows, or sealed away like Kagura, Imu won 800 years ago and has sat on his ass and ruled via his proxies since then. Had someone like Luffy died as a kid, nothing would have ever happened to him.

And now, the cracks are starting to form at long last on his grasp on power. Whereas Teach, even when something like he loses Koby, he gets Garp instead. His star is still on the rise, whereas Imu is finally being challenged, like every other bad guy who ruled their fiefs.

 

[park_min young]

How far can Sommers push Vergo? Is he right leg material?

 

[soupongo]

For all those who think "Imu is the ancient evil, so he MUST be the big boss!", unlike Father from FMA who plotted from the shadows, or sealed away like Kagura, Imu won 800 years ago and has sat on his ass and ruled via his proxies since then. Had someone like Luffy died as a kid, nothing would have ever happened to him.

And now, the cracks are starting to form at long last on his grasp on power. Whereas Teach, even when something like he loses Koby, he gets Garp instead. His star is still on the rise, whereas Imu already won and is finally starting to be challenged.

Exactly, Imu's power and influence has been descent since the start of OP. The "God who runs the world for centuries and never loses" thing is just fan made cope. Kaguya and Father were never utterly humiliated like Imu has been

 

[bennbeckman]

Quick ODA get Loki a Senzu Bean

 

[Francher Styles]

I'm on the boat that the BB pirates will not fight the SH 1v1
It will be BB vs RHP vs CG vs SH in a battle royal for the last Road poneglyph/OP.

So it wouldn't be Zoro vs Shiryu... is probably Zoro vs Shiryu vs Mihawk vs Beckman for example... very chaotic.

The true final 1v1 for the Straw hats are Imu, the Gorosei and the HKs.

If you still have doubt on who the FV is between Imu or BB, just think that one of the gorosei could land on Hachinosu right now, and could solo the entire BB pirates just because they can't die.

Obviously I may be exagerating, but powerscaling aside, Imu factions has done more damage to the world than the BB pirates, that's why I'm confident Imu is Luffy final enemy. And Oda (who wanks Zoro to the heaven) make Zoro ran from Nusjuro as an example that he's not capable of beating him right now. Just a foreshadow for a future fight.

 

[zzShinichi]

They are coming for the world! =>

To think that this gigachad is gonna get wasted on Ussop

 

[ElderOnitar]

For all those who think "Imu is the ancient evil, so he MUST be the big boss!", unlike Father from FMA who plotted from the shadows, or sealed away like Kagura, Imu won 800 years ago and has sat on his ass and ruled via his proxies since then. Had someone like Luffy died as a kid, nothing would have ever happened to him.

And now, the cracks are starting to form at long last on his grasp on power. Whereas Teach, even when something like he loses Koby, he gets Garp instead. His star is still on the rise, whereas Imu is finally being challenged, like every other bad guy who ruled their fiefs.

I would argue the acquisition of the Mother Flame is one of the biggest wins the government has obtained in likely centuries.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Exactly, Imu's power and influence has been descent since the start of OP. The "God who runs the world for centuries and never loses" thing is just fan made cope. Kaguya and Father were never utterly humiliated like Imu has been

Imu had pictures of four people with him: Luffy, Teach, Shirahoshi and Vivi.

The three Ancient Weapons: Poseidon, Pluton and Uranus. What are their planets called in Japanese?

"Meiosei", Darkness King Star.
"Kaiosei", Sea King Star.
"Tennosei", Heavenly King Star.

A man whose power is darkness, a girl who controls Sea Kings and a girl descended from the Heavenly Folk. Surely all three are important and dangerous to Imu.

But no, people think Teach is going to lose at Laugh Tale and just vanish from the story or something.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

To think that this gigachad is gonna get wasted on Ussop

Imagine Trashopp beating Auger with his slingshot attacks

 

[Ven437]

They could definitely handle 3 Yonko though, the World Government has 4 Admirals, Sengoku, Garp, Kong, Garling, Shamrock and the Gorosei as top tier fighters.

Then you have Lucci, probably the other Holy Knights, X Drake, Koby, the Seraphim/Shichibukai to handle Commander level threats.

Take out Linlin first—who has the best intel network out of any of them—and you're making the next big fight that much easier. The only it factor comes from Blackbeard but the firepower on the WG side is insane.

Here is the thing, I don’t believe that top tiers determine the victor, but numbers and quality of fodder. Cracker and BM’s Homies massively increase the quality of fodder. Kaido tried to do this with SMILE too

Oda made this pretty clear with BM becoming Pirate King if she had access to Elbaf army. Even in Wano Luffy and Zoro stressed the strength of Gifters and Headliners, they even needed Tama to bring more to their side

Top tiers more or less cancel each other out as long as HKs and Gorosei don’t get involved. And I don’t believe they actually would. They didn’t get involved when Roger Pirates reached Laugh tale. They would let Marines get wiped out first & take out. And once WG truly moves so would the Revs who will probably fight the HKs

Also you already mentioned this but intel is GOLD in war. If they don’t take BM out then their plans might as well be good as foiled since they will have everything on Marines and share it from abilities to numbers to strats to weaknesses

Imu would have to get involved and they might as well have lost if Imu has to move

They have nukes tho...

If Imu moves then WG might as well have lost in terms of military power. Imu is not supposed to be known to the world

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

I would argue the acquisition of the Mother Flame is one of the biggest wins the government has obtained in likely centuries.

But now Vegapunk is dead, with only York alone to maintain it. Can she? How is it repowered? If she can't handle it, then they are stuck again.

 

[soupongo]

nesses

Imu would have to get involved and they might as well have lost if Imu has to move



If Imu moves then WG might as well have lost in terms of military power. Imu is not supposed to be known to the world

But he doesn't need too lol, they have nukes.

 

[Ven437]

But he doesn't need too lol, they have nukes.

Using nukes = Imu’s order, he’s already involved

 

[Naomi]

came to check discussion for spoilers, but everything off topic to the chapter.

 

[soupongo]

The fact that they nuked and island simply by random choice based on it being close by shows that the upper levels of the WG is pretty satisfied with it's position in the world.
Saturn basically said they succeeded in Egghead, even arguing that they didn't need to follow the SH to Elbaf,probably because they believed the Hk would win over the country or whatever anyway

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Using nukes = Imu’s order, he’s already involved

Why couldn't the Gorosei order Wano or something to be destroyed though? On paper, they do run the world, they just have to listen to Imu, who likely wouldn't care that they nuked Yonko territory

 

[Ven437]

came to check discussion for spoilers, but everything off topic to the chapter.

Not everybody can appreciate Gunko Sommers and Kilingham greatness yet

There will be a great switch up when they show off the full extent of their powers and push SH and Elbaf to the brink of chaos

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

came to check discussion for spoilers, but everything off topic to the chapter.

Well, to help you:

I have never seen a Kirin have a "hypnosis/dream manipulation" ability anywhere. Whereas that's more the power of a Baku. So, don't know what the fuck happened, but it's kind of dumb.

 

[ElderOnitar]

But now Vegapunk is dead, with only York alone to maintain it. Can she? How is it repowered? If she can't handle it, then they are stuck again.

York is essentially Vegapunk. She has all of his memories and knowledge due to her brain being tied to Punk Records (at least up to the time Vegapunk invented it). The deal with the gorosei was based on her being able to produce the mother flame alone.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

York is essentially Vegapunk. She has all of his memories and knowledge due to her brain being tied to Punk Records (at least up to the time Vegapunk invented it). The deal with the gorosei was based on her being able to produce the mother flame alone.

But things didn't go as she thought. While only Lillith survived, Punk Records is still intact and with a new Satellite in charge of it. If she is cut off, she better hope her own memory banks has the data she needs.

 

[vikas]

This has been pretty evident for quite some time now. King Harald was probably working with the WG, so he is changing the nation to "peace" rather than war. He was weakening Elbaph for the eventual WG takeover.

Look at how oda is propagating violence instead of peace.....