Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1154 Spoilers Discussion

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Cross_Marian

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Kizaruber Eats said:
Exactly I don't like this at all. He looks awful to me. Heinous design. Guess Oda used everything on Loki lmao.

First we get attack of the Shanks twins/clones, now this. Post Egghead too funnily enough. The clone piece, the clone piece is real. Oh wait nvm Oda wants take the most cringy soap opera tier writing clichés instead, RIP.
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Yes I’m also disappointed but he looks like a real scumbag of a pirate
but man it’s like a copy paste with some extras…
 
Worthy Man

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I find it really funny how people create expectations of a character looking extremely beautiful just because of their silhouette, and then Oda comes along and: RUINS EVERYTHING. HAHAHAH I love you, Oda.
 
TheAncientCenturion

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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soupongo said:
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@Roo @MarineHQ @TheAncientCenturion @EmperorKinyagi

Is Madara even that much better of a character then Kaguya? I know people really hate that she came out of nowhere, is implied to be an alien etc,,,,

But if you ignore that, I don´t see a big difference in characterization. Neither really have a good connection to the Mc´s or anyone alive really, and both just have kind of meh goals. As poorly done Obito was at times, at least he had a pretty valid connection to the Mc´s(Killed Narutos parents, was behind the nine tails attack, helped kill the Uchiha, knew itachi, manipulated Sasuke, was on a team with Kakashi, secretly was running the mist, ran the Akatsuki, helped turn Nagato evil). I make fun of him for taking L´s and the Rin thing, but at least the Rin thing begins to explain why he was interested in the genjutsu world

Madara just doesn´t? It´s vaguely implied he dislikes war, and the inherent lack of fairness of reality, but his actions really seem to be the opposite. Dude is clearly enjoying himself killing and humiliating people. And what would his genjutsu world even be like? It just feels like a random plan he decided to work on,which is basically what happened in canon with Zetsu or whatever. Kishi also doesn´t really lean into a creepy factor or making him intelligent like part 1 Orochimaru and Itachi. He´s a ¨All according to plan¨ type villain, but his plan barely even worked, and relied on too many unlikely factors. And the Hashirama obsession was maybe like a cool thing at first, but got pathetic really quick...
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Yup, I fully agree with this. Madara had a great start as a character up until he was too powerful for the plot and Kishimoto sidelined him. Once he finished with the Gokage and grouped up with Obito, Kishimoto turned him from a very aggressive antagonist into a relaxed and reserved opponent. Eventually, Madz' is fully out of the picture until Obito's gone.

I think that robbed us of really getting a good look at Madara. We've got a handful of characteristics but Kishimoto never gives any of it greater attention? And something like his love of battle and hatred for war is a really interesting dichotomy that is flat out never addressed.

It's why I personally don't find Kaguya that offensive. She was at least interesting and gave the series a slightly greater depth to its world building. Madara wasn't gonna be anything but a generic fight. Like, we all can imagine how that would've went.

Though IMO I also think Madara just retreds Obito too much too.
 
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