Prime Kuzan's ice didn't affect old garp same way pre prime BM's attack didn't affect prime garp. But someone this means Kuzan > BM 
Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1161 Spoilers discussion thread
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Big Mom fusing her homies is about the most she can do in terms of elemental AP. Meanwhile awakening is exponentially stronger than base powers and we have yet to witness it.
From this chapter, I think we can conclude how Rocks' Wife, and Teach's Mom, Ellis, dies on God Valley, leading to Rocks being Domi Reversi'd after his Will is broken.
I also believe we'll get Ellis more in Teach's Flashback in the future, and Rocks' flashback before his death. Also possible Rocks' flashback will be later with Teach, if Teach has Rocks' Logbook, the way Yamato had Oden's.
In 1161 Oda shows us Rocks and Roger heading right towards each other, towards the center of God Valley.
Roger is trying to get the treasure/find Rocks. I doubt the CDs/Marines had much time to move Shakky, so, she should be still in the center of the island.
Roger/Rayleigh/Scopper should be in the middle of God Valley, after saving Shakky, which is where Rocks was headed.
We know Sommers fights Gyaban, so that should happen here, since Scopper and Sommers are right next to each other. We can't judge Sommers/Rayleigh strength here by a backshot, when Rayleigh was holding his Haki back, because Shakky is restrained and can't defend herself.
Since Rayleigh didn't use CoC, because of Shakky being near, Sommers won't need to regen, and should be fine and frosty.
Rocks and Roger meet in God Valley, and Rocks sees Shakky. Roger thinks Rocks is trying to take back Shakky, when Rocks is trying to save Ellis and Teach. Roger fights Rocks so Rayleigh can flee.
We can see this clash in the middle of God Valley here:
"Hold it, Rocks!" (Roger stops Rocks because he thinks Rocks is going after Shakky)
"You're in my war, Roger!!!" (Rocks is actually going after his Wife and Son)
Garling is strong, and should be trying to find the strongest fighters on the island, to put them down. Garling is obviously able to use Observation Haki to detect Haki, especially something like Rocks and Roger clashing.
Once Garling realizes that Pirates are fighting near Shakky, he'll move to protect his "wife", because Garling is a selfish prick. Garling will witness Rocks and Roger fighting, and hear this:
Rocks: "Roger! Listen... I'm not here for Shakky! My real name is Davy D. Xebec! God Valley is my Homeland! I'm trying to find my wife, and son, before it's too late!"
Roger realizes Rocks is being honest, and Garling overhears them, and decides to focus on hunting down Rocks' family. Roger agrees to let Rocks go.
Rocks runs off to find Ellis and Teach, and Roger then runs into Garp, who sense Roger's Haki-clash with Rocks, and made a beeline to both of them like the Dude he is.
The CoC Haki Clashes between Rocks/Roger and Garp/Roger blow the Treasure Chests at the center of God Valley away, and scatter them across the island.
Rocks finds Ellis and Teach... and the moment they embrace, Garling stabs through both of them.
Ellis dies, and Rocks's Will breaks; at this moment, Garling instructs Gunko to tell Imu to Domi Reversi Rocks.
GunkImu arrives, and Domi Reversis Rocks.
Garling runs off, because Garling is riding his bird-buddy, this-racist-Karoo knock-off:
It's possible Garling does a hit and run or Rocks and Ellis, even, because Garling has other business:
His "Wife."
Teach watching his parents get stabbed, his mother die, and Rocks turn into a living Demon causes Teach immense PTSD he still suffers from, like Doffy, to the extent he can't sleep.
Garling uses his super-speed... it's a duck, right? I don't fucking know, whatever bird Garling is riding is fast, and his ass is going to hunt down Rayleigh, who should be using CoC at this point, after Shakky is freed.
Garling finds Rayleigh by sensing his and Shakky's presence, and challenges him to a duel with Shakky on the line.
Then, we get into Domi Reversi and Gorosei fights.
Edit: My one question is when Garling scars Newgate, if it's on his way to find Shakky in the center after sensing Rocks and Roger clash, or if it's post Domi Reversi. Garling's either going to slash Newgate while riding his duck, or after he gets Domi'd, IMO.
I also believe we'll get Ellis more in Teach's Flashback in the future, and Rocks' flashback before his death. Also possible Rocks' flashback will be later with Teach, if Teach has Rocks' Logbook, the way Yamato had Oden's.
In 1161 Oda shows us Rocks and Roger heading right towards each other, towards the center of God Valley.
Roger is trying to get the treasure/find Rocks. I doubt the CDs/Marines had much time to move Shakky, so, she should be still in the center of the island.
Roger/Rayleigh/Scopper should be in the middle of God Valley, after saving Shakky, which is where Rocks was headed.
We know Sommers fights Gyaban, so that should happen here, since Scopper and Sommers are right next to each other. We can't judge Sommers/Rayleigh strength here by a backshot, when Rayleigh was holding his Haki back, because Shakky is restrained and can't defend herself.
Since Rayleigh didn't use CoC, because of Shakky being near, Sommers won't need to regen, and should be fine and frosty.
St. Shepherd Sommers VS Scopper Gyaban
Rayleigh takes Shakky, and heads to the Roger Pirate's Ship, the Queen Anne's Revenge (who is Queen Anne, anyway? She probably existed. The Queen of Roger's homeland?).
Rocks and Roger meet in God Valley, and Rocks sees Shakky. Roger thinks Rocks is trying to take back Shakky, when Rocks is trying to save Ellis and Teach. Roger fights Rocks so Rayleigh can flee.
We can see this clash in the middle of God Valley here:
"Hold it, Rocks!" (Roger stops Rocks because he thinks Rocks is going after Shakky)
"You're in my war, Roger!!!" (Rocks is actually going after his Wife and Son)
Gol D. Roger VS Davy D. Xebec
Garling is strong, and should be trying to find the strongest fighters on the island, to put them down. Garling is obviously able to use Observation Haki to detect Haki, especially something like Rocks and Roger clashing.
Once Garling realizes that Pirates are fighting near Shakky, he'll move to protect his "wife", because Garling is a selfish prick. Garling will witness Rocks and Roger fighting, and hear this:
Rocks: "Roger! Listen... I'm not here for Shakky! My real name is Davy D. Xebec! God Valley is my Homeland! I'm trying to find my wife, and son, before it's too late!"
Roger realizes Rocks is being honest, and Garling overhears them, and decides to focus on hunting down Rocks' family. Roger agrees to let Rocks go.
Rocks runs off to find Ellis and Teach, and Roger then runs into Garp, who sense Roger's Haki-clash with Rocks, and made a beeline to both of them like the Dude he is.
The CoC Haki Clashes between Rocks/Roger and Garp/Roger blow the Treasure Chests at the center of God Valley away, and scatter them across the island.
Monkey D. Garp VS Gol D. Roger
Rocks finds Ellis and Teach... and the moment they embrace, Garling stabs through both of them.
Ellis dies, and Rocks's Will breaks; at this moment, Garling instructs Gunko to tell Imu to Domi Reversi Rocks.
GunkImu arrives, and Domi Reversis Rocks.
Garling runs off, because Garling is riding his bird-buddy, this-racist-Karoo knock-off:
It's possible Garling does a hit and run or Rocks and Ellis, even, because Garling has other business:
His "Wife."
Teach watching his parents get stabbed, his mother die, and Rocks turn into a living Demon causes Teach immense PTSD he still suffers from, like Doffy, to the extent he can't sleep.
Garling uses his super-speed... it's a duck, right? I don't fucking know, whatever bird Garling is riding is fast, and his ass is going to hunt down Rayleigh, who should be using CoC at this point, after Shakky is freed.
Garling finds Rayleigh by sensing his and Shakky's presence, and challenges him to a duel with Shakky on the line.
Silvers Rayleigh VS Figarland Garling
Then, we get into Domi Reversi and Gorosei fights.
Edit: My one question is when Garling scars Newgate, if it's on his way to find Shakky in the center after sensing Rocks and Roger clash, or if it's post Domi Reversi. Garling's either going to slash Newgate while riding his duck, or after he gets Domi'd, IMO.
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By the translation it seems rookie pre DF Kaido has fought prime garp in the past and survived
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lil bro knew he stood no chance on his own, no wonder he didn't try to attack Warp by himself
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BM has stronger attack with hera + prometheus + Napoleon combo and AP is not even BM's strong point. No confirmation that Kuzan has awakening though. Kizaru didn't show it. Oda didn't gave awakenings to 2 veteran yonkos. Not saying Kuzan can't have awakening but its speculation for now and nothing much.
They told you right sir. Roger is There watching the scene, so he got free easily. He pretends to have his hands full in order to assist Rayleigh, consistent with his thoughts of some chapters ago where he laments that rayleigh didn't go to the bar.
Good news for you, now that Kuzan is conforme to be above Prime WB with a better haki explosion and with the narrative as the current strongest man in the new "Rocks" of this era, u can also push Mihawk above WB
Good news for you, now that Kuzan is conforme to be above Prime WB with a better haki explosion and with the narrative as the current strongest man in the new "Rocks" of this era, u can also push Mihawk above WB
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