Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1194: EVERYTHING CHANGES
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@Albino 👑
"King did not say that lol. He asked if Zoro had kingly ambitions after he saw Zoro use conquerors. Zoro unlocking it after he let enma take as much haki as it pleased"
Idk if you’re intentionally pretending not to understand anything, but this is exhausting.
WSS is described as “kingly ambition/the desire to be King” which only reinforces the idea that the current holder of the title has CoC, and it’s only natural that being WSS requires CoC.
"You do realize a random okama had to explain to Sanji what conquerors haki is too right?"
Brother you can’t keep pretending to be dense whenever Mihawk is involved.
What’s the narrative point of Zoro remembering Mihawk’s words about CoC and it being the trigger for him to consciously use it when he already knows about the ability, has seen it in action, and literally recalled Luffy using basic CoC in FIA just a few pages earlier?
I guess because CoC has nothing to do with Mihawk and being WSS.
Makes sense.
"King did not say that lol. He asked if Zoro had kingly ambitions after he saw Zoro use conquerors. Zoro unlocking it after he let enma take as much haki as it pleased"
Idk if you’re intentionally pretending not to understand anything, but this is exhausting.
"You do realize a random okama had to explain to Sanji what conquerors haki is too right?"
Brother you can’t keep pretending to be dense whenever Mihawk is involved.
What’s the narrative point of Zoro remembering Mihawk’s words about CoC and it being the trigger for him to consciously use it when he already knows about the ability, has seen it in action, and literally recalled Luffy using basic CoC in FIA just a few pages earlier?
I guess because CoC has nothing to do with Mihawk and being WSS.
Makes sense.
I bet Zoro is unconsciously tapping into not one but TWO different powers. Sommers is able to tell that Zoros output is inconsistent. I don't think it's the amount of haki/force that fluctuates but more so Zoro somehow alternatively used from the CoC pool of haki and sometimes from the Fire pool of haki. That is why he thinks that he didn't do anything different, the amount of force was the same but the application is different.
It is kind of like having access to a fire extinguisher that uses foam and another that uses dry powder, they are used for different things but Zoro doesn't yet know how to use which for which occasion.
It will probably take 1-3 more arcs before Zoro figures out that not only does he have CoC but also, as a separate power altogether, he has (King of Hell) fire that among other things is super effective vs thorns. This combo would be very, very nice to see vs Green Bull. CoC vs Admiral + Fire ability vs Forest DF. Zoro finally, for real, gets the fire sword that he dreamt of as a child.
It is kind of like having access to a fire extinguisher that uses foam and another that uses dry powder, they are used for different things but Zoro doesn't yet know how to use which for which occasion.
It will probably take 1-3 more arcs before Zoro figures out that not only does he have CoC but also, as a separate power altogether, he has (King of Hell) fire that among other things is super effective vs thorns. This combo would be very, very nice to see vs Green Bull. CoC vs Admiral + Fire ability vs Forest DF. Zoro finally, for real, gets the fire sword that he dreamt of as a child.
@Albino 👑
"King did not say that lol. He asked if Zoro had kingly ambitions after he saw Zoro use conquerors. Zoro unlocking it after he let enma take as much haki as it pleased"
Idk if you’re intentionally pretending not to understand anything, but this is exhausting.
WSS is described as “kingly ambition/the desire to be King” which only reinforces the idea that the current holder of the title has CoC, and it’s only natural that being WSS requires CoC.
"You do realize a random okama had to explain to Sanji what conquerors haki is too right?"
Brother you can’t keep pretending to be dense whenever Mihawk is involved.
What’s the narrative point of Zoro remembering Mihawk’s words about CoC and it being the trigger for him to consciously use it when he already knows about the ability, has seen it in action, and literally recalled Luffy using basic CoC in FIA just a few pages earlier?
I guess because CoC has nothing to do with Mihawk and being WSS.
Makes sense.
"King did not say that lol. He asked if Zoro had kingly ambitions after he saw Zoro use conquerors. Zoro unlocking it after he let enma take as much haki as it pleased"
Idk if you’re intentionally pretending not to understand anything, but this is exhausting.
"You do realize a random okama had to explain to Sanji what conquerors haki is too right?"
Brother you can’t keep pretending to be dense whenever Mihawk is involved.
What’s the narrative point of Zoro remembering Mihawk’s words about CoC and it being the trigger for him to consciously use it when he already knows about the ability, has seen it in action, and literally recalled Luffy using basic CoC in FIA just a few pages earlier?
I guess because CoC has nothing to do with Mihawk and being WSS.
Makes sense.
Zoro’s kingly ambition is also more than just being the wss it’s to become the king of hell whatever that entails. Him becoming the wss is a part of that path but his goals and ambitions are even bigger than
Again to clarify yes becoming the wss is obviously a part of Zoro’s goals but becoming the king of hell has some deeper implications than just surpassing Mihawk
Zoro is thinking back on everything he knows about conquerors haki. Which is why he’s thinking back on Mihawks explanation of it and when he saw Luffy using it. That’s the narrative
If Sanji thinks back on the ability getting explained to him like it 100% did that doesn’t imply that the person uses it just that they’re explaining haki to him
According to this chapter Zoro thought the Roger pirates were actually called the Rayleigh pirates 
And that might have worked if he had smart people like Crocodile or Robin as students, but with a guy like Zoro it would have been better to spell it out plainly.
Gotta Love how Oda has systematically dismantled Shanks Cuck Agenda
-Started Manga calling Mihawk Strongest Swordsman in the World and Introducing Shanks with a Sword - "Shanks just uses Sword for Decoration"
-Mihawk goes to Shanks own camp and calls him One Armed Has Been who is not worth my time - "Shanks is just humble, he is far stronger than Mihawk"
-Whitebeard says Mihawk and Shanks had legendary duels before Shanks lost an arm - "But But CoC was Turned off"
-Zoro's First Mihawk training Panel is learning Haki - "But But Swordsmen Haki is CoA, Shanks Haki is CoC"
-Zoro literally learns Advanced CoC - "But this is Enma, Shanks has special CoC Abilities"
"Mihawk must have bounty above 2 Billion"
-Turns out Mihawk has 3.6 Billion Bounty - 'But But Shanks' Bounty still Higher"
-Mihawk literally has bigger bounty than his YONKO Captain
"But But Shanks can become Schichibukai, Mihawk can never become a Yonko"
-Mihawk literally has Yonko Title on Silver Platter and Rejects It" - LMAOOOOO but turns out Shanks is too weak to be Strongest Swordsman
"But But Shanks has Air Bars @Chaves "
-Turns out Xebec Literally uses Air Bars and is known as RENOWNED SWORDSMANSHIP
"But Shanks Conqueror's Haki > Mihawk's Conqeuror's Haki so Shanks must be > Mihawk"
-Tuns out Mihawk is literally GRAND MASTER OF HAKI and Zoro has him in the flash back again and he masters CoC through Mihawk.
-Started Manga calling Mihawk Strongest Swordsman in the World and Introducing Shanks with a Sword - "Shanks just uses Sword for Decoration"
-Mihawk goes to Shanks own camp and calls him One Armed Has Been who is not worth my time - "Shanks is just humble, he is far stronger than Mihawk"
-Whitebeard says Mihawk and Shanks had legendary duels before Shanks lost an arm - "But But CoC was Turned off"
-Zoro's First Mihawk training Panel is learning Haki - "But But Swordsmen Haki is CoA, Shanks Haki is CoC"
-Zoro literally learns Advanced CoC - "But this is Enma, Shanks has special CoC Abilities"
"Mihawk must have bounty above 2 Billion"
-Turns out Mihawk has 3.6 Billion Bounty - 'But But Shanks' Bounty still Higher"
-Mihawk literally has bigger bounty than his YONKO Captain
"But But Shanks can become Schichibukai, Mihawk can never become a Yonko"
-Mihawk literally has Yonko Title on Silver Platter and Rejects It" - LMAOOOOO but turns out Shanks is too weak to be Strongest Swordsman
"But But Shanks has Air Bars @Chaves "
-Turns out Xebec Literally uses Air Bars and is known as RENOWNED SWORDSMANSHIP
"But Shanks Conqueror's Haki > Mihawk's Conqeuror's Haki so Shanks must be > Mihawk"
-Tuns out Mihawk is literally GRAND MASTER OF HAKI and Zoro has him in the flash back again and he masters CoC through Mihawk.
Shanks to Beckman the picosecond he got the news that Zoro was coming for that Haki-Man title first before he tackles Mihawk:
PEAK Chapter. Was unaware it is legal to destroy this many Agendas in a such a short chapter.
PEAK Chapter. Was unaware it is legal to destroy this many Agendas in a such a short chapter.
This is just meaningless word salad.
WSS = Kingly Ambition = Conqueror’s Haki.
Everything else here is irrelevant and barely has anything to do with my point.
Yeah, if the context of who Mihawk is and how Zoro’s CoC is tied to his WSS ambition didn’t exist.
Same with those words being emphasized by the chapter title and highlighted right before Zoro consciously uses it.
I don’t care about the “ifs” you keep throwing out bro. It's getting ridiculous.
WSS = Kingly Ambition = Conqueror’s Haki.
Everything else here is irrelevant and barely has anything to do with my point.
Yeah, if the context of who Mihawk is and how Zoro’s CoC is tied to his WSS ambition didn’t exist.
Same with those words being emphasized by the chapter title and highlighted right before Zoro consciously uses it.
I don’t care about the “ifs” you keep throwing out bro. It's getting ridiculous.
