Spoiler One Piece Chapter 973 Spoilers Discussion

[Fujishiro]

That was for pre-skip though? Zoro trained with Mihawk and has Emna, which by his own words, will make him stronger, so how is that nothing?

Zoro is just as capable of growing stronger as Luffy is.

Luffy said out his own mouth that the main problem with Katakuri was his future sight. He overpowered him in terms of strength in G4.

Not really, kata was matching luffy with his haki In g4 quite well and even hurting him. Look at their last minutes of fighting. Wether it’s pre ts or not, oda is not about to change his ways. That’s not how artists work. And so what? Luffy trained with the right hand man of the pirate king and coby trained with fucking garp, yet they all grow at different speeds. My problem isn’t that zoro can’t be that strong, my problem is he didn’t fight anyone of note to get that strong. And saying oh well he trained with mihawk is a baseless excuse because luffy trained with a top tier too and yet he still struggled.

 

[Albino 👑]

And for fucking Christ, is Momo really Oden's son? Crybaby on crybaby

His dad did just got killed along with some monster lighting his house ablaze while chocking and throwing him
His mom also sacrificed her life for him

So idk i think it might be justified here lol

 

[Xubella]

If Denjiro/Kyoshiro joins allies then they have like 5 top tier fighters.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Roger beat Xebec, and Whitebeard at God Valley.

roger and garp *

 

[Red Dog]

Lol people so salty coz toki looks like dont do anything this arc...its not like this arc is already over and maybe she will have moment in another arc or final arc right...right?

and have some nerve to compare this manga with another manga which has ended years ago and still have shitty ending lol...

 

[Nolimittweezy]

Not really, kata was matching luffy with his haki In g4 quite well and even hurting him. Look at their last minutes of fighting. Wether it’s pre ts or not, oda is not about to change his ways. That’s not how artists work. And so what? Luffy trained with the right hand man of the pirate king and coby trained with fucking garp, yet they all grow at different speeds. My problem isn’t that zoro can’t be that strong, my problem is he didn’t fight anyone of not to get that strong. And saying oh well he trained with mihawk is a baseless excuse because luffy trained with a top tier too and yet he still struggled.

This is going in circles. When Zoro fights King I'm going to call all of you out.

 

[blackout]

If Denjiro/Kyoshiro joins allies then they have like 5 top tier fighters.

Nah, I'd say Denjiro is around Ashura/Inu level. Only like Luffy, Zoro, and maybe Kidd are Yonko Commander level fighters.

 

[Worst]

Not really, kata was matching luffy with his haki In g4 quite well and even hurting him. Look at their last minutes of fighting. Wether it’s pre ts or not, oda is not about to change his ways. That’s not how artists work. And so what? Luffy trained with the right hand man of the pirate king and coby trained with fucking garp, yet they all grow at different speeds. My problem isn’t that zoro can’t be that strong, my problem is he didn’t fight anyone of not to get that strong. And saying oh well he trained with mihawk is a baseless excuse because luffy trained with a top tier too and yet he still struggled.

STFU and have my follow

 

[Fujishiro]

This is going in circles. When Zoro fights King I'm going to call all of you out.

I never said he wouldn’t, I said that it’s not believable at the moment. If he does fight him without actually getting stronger prior then it’s just bad writting and I’ll be sad that oda went the Naruto route. Cheers

 

[Enma]

His dad did just got killed along with some monster lighting his house ablaze while chocking and throwing him
His mom also sacrificed her life for him

So idk i think it might be justified here lol

I wouldn't mind about him crying only here, not in almost every friggin scene he's in.

 

[Rmstorm]

roger and garp *

Still does not change the fact that Big Mom, Kaido, Whitebeard and Xebec lost to Roger and Garp with Xebec dying.

Prime Roger and Garp are monsters.

 

[Fujishiro]

STFU and have my follow

Have mine too buddy! For a second after seeing only STFU i thought this was one of HAOO1’s alts lol. Dude loves to swear.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Rayleigh said that the only way to get stronger is to have your haki tested and bloom during intense fights.

Rayleigh did NOT use the word "only" my friend.
Luffy’s literally gotten advanced armament haki by just training and now Zoro is getting stronger wth just training wth Enma and that's it.

You are not the arbiter of how much what gets you where. The plot is what decides how much training or intense battle or whatever helps. We've seen Zoro move frkm no flying slashes to 36 pound canon to 72 pound canon to 108 pound canon from just training. You dont have a measure for this. Theres no mathematical equation you can make up for it either.

The plot says Training makes you stronger and Zoro trains all the time so the plot decided fishamn island zoro < punk hazard Zoro < dressrosa zoro < zou Zoro < wano Zoro < Enma Zoro. This is all we know because this is all the plot has told us. And in the end, when we see Zoro go max power then we shall know what the plot is telling us about his max power.

So stop trying to claim to be the one in charge of how strong he is. The plot is what decides that

 

[Jackteo]

Im pretty sure it was drake not denjiro

Let us dream

 

[KINGKONGGUN15]

who cares about denjiro and hiyori...

''if i dont care about it, nobody does.''

 

[nik87]

That doesnt matter, unless you believe he came out stronger than luffy post skip. Which he clearly didnt. The ceiling is there.

I like how easy you dismiss the most obvious solution. B-but Oda said he is second to Luffy...

 

[zzShinichi]

People actually think Denjirou plays 3 D chess and planned ahead 25 years ago, including betraying Oden and his fellow scabbards to gain Orchi's trust so he might get his chance 25 years later :cheers:

 

[Fujishiro]

I like how easy you dismiss the most obvious solution. B-but Oda said he is second to Luffy...

Because it’s pure idiocy to believe that the Mc of a SHOUNEN’s subbordinate is stronger than him. And I mean I’d take oda words over a random on the internet any day of the week, it is his story after all and no amount of trolling is gonna make what he says any more false.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Still does not change the fact that Big Mom, Kaido, Whitebeard and Xebec lost to Roger and Garp with Xebec dying.

Prime Roger and Garp are monsters.

never said. it did
just don't exclude garp .
your mans is the one who thinks young base kaido ap > roger.

 

[Reborn]

Not really, kata was matching luffy with his haki In g4 quite well and even hurting him. Look at their last minutes of fighting. Wether it’s pre ts or not, oda is not about to change his ways. That’s not how artists work. And so what? Luffy trained with the right hand man of the pirate king and coby trained with fucking garp, yet they all grow at different speeds. My problem isn’t that zoro can’t be that strong, my problem is he didn’t fight anyone of not to get that strong. And saying oh well he trained with mihawk is a baseless excuse because luffy trained with a top tier too and yet he still struggled.

You contradicting yourself..

Your post implies characters have different growth speed but it seems you are not considering two factors

1)zoro always trains himself from childhood to even while traveling with SHs..while Luffy didn't

2)this generate possibility that zoro could grasp mihawk teaching in faster way than Luffy learnt from Rayleigh.

3) Luffy was Only taught basics but no such thing was implied in case of Zoro

4) unlike Luffy,zoro has numerous opponents to fight during ts (Monkeys copying mihawk style)

So, your reasoning that zoro isn't strong enough doesn't hold much ground especially when you yourself implied that each character can grow differently unless you are totally biased against him