Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 985: New Onigashima
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Fuckin dreadful translation. I mean holy shit, it kind of ruined the experience of the chapter honestly.
Damn I can't believe Orochi was killed. I'm glad though, he's useless at this point and using him to show Kaido's brutality is the right move. If he were to stay alive, the only use for him would be a fight between him and the Scabbards, but having them fight the emperors instead is better. This also frees up Zoro to have more epic fight scenes. This chapter re-hyped Kaido for me. He was starting to lose his hype but Oda brought it right back with the Onigashima Project, his motivations to wage war with the world, wanting One Piece, and allying with Big Mom.
From the way it looks to me Kaido and Big Mom with the Ancient Weapons are needed to defeat the World Government as a whole. (CP0, Gorosei, SSG, and Marines) But the thing is no one knows about Imu, so the World Gov't may still be stronger.
Not really sold on Yamato yet, we'll see how things play out with her in the upcoming chapters. There's no way she doesn't join the Straw Hats. I like that Oda already hinted to it early on with Yamato saying as much, as it was obvious anyway. Looking forward to this war man, its gonna be crazy.
Damn I can't believe Orochi was killed. I'm glad though, he's useless at this point and using him to show Kaido's brutality is the right move. If he were to stay alive, the only use for him would be a fight between him and the Scabbards, but having them fight the emperors instead is better. This also frees up Zoro to have more epic fight scenes. This chapter re-hyped Kaido for me. He was starting to lose his hype but Oda brought it right back with the Onigashima Project, his motivations to wage war with the world, wanting One Piece, and allying with Big Mom.
From the way it looks to me Kaido and Big Mom with the Ancient Weapons are needed to defeat the World Government as a whole. (CP0, Gorosei, SSG, and Marines) But the thing is no one knows about Imu, so the World Gov't may still be stronger.
Not really sold on Yamato yet, we'll see how things play out with her in the upcoming chapters. There's no way she doesn't join the Straw Hats. I like that Oda already hinted to it early on with Yamato saying as much, as it was obvious anyway. Looking forward to this war man, its gonna be crazy.
For now I don't think that Orochi's men outside of Kanjuro will try to fight Kaido and his men for now and most will bow to him as they may believe that Kaido can't be beaten and won't want to join a fight that they believe to lost and with the ones who were their ennemies until now.
It's only near or at the end of Wano arc that some of Orochi's men may join the alliance against the Beast Pirates.
It's only near or at the end of Wano arc that some of Orochi's men may join the alliance against the Beast Pirates.
Where is it said that SsG > Warlords please? I've seen many people mention it but in the actual chapter I don't see it.
All i see is Kaido saying that the Marines Hq are confident about dealing with the pirates with it,no mention of it being superior.
If anything the SsG is just more reliable as they will never betray the World Government the way some of the ex warlords did.
All i see is Kaido saying that the Marines Hq are confident about dealing with the pirates with it,no mention of it being superior.
If anything the SsG is just more reliable as they will never betray the World Government the way some of the ex warlords did.
Ok this was a great chapter but one’s reading experience was ruined by the shoddy English translations available. A few thoughts:
Luffy and Yamato interact like equals. Which is nice. The spoilers mentioned a flashback, but all we get is Yamato telling Luffy and the readers that she’d been kept and beaten up since she was 8 years old. Very telling that. And based on the lousy scans, it seems that she’s not even absolutely certain the cuffs will explode. Why does Oda add this bit of dialogue (if it’s translated correctly)? Feels like he wants some ambiguity concerning whether Kaidou is truly an abusive parent or perhaps not quite?
Also Luffy straight out called her on her charade. Then she even admits he’s even more of an Oden copy than she is. So, she’s not completely lost in a delusion.
As to her chances of becoming a crewmember, I’m ok with any option really. Whether she becomes one or not it’s all fine and dandy by me.
Nekomamushi and Inuarashi replacing their lost limbs with a machine gun arm and a sword leg respectively. Trust Oda to make it look both wacky and cool at the same time. Their Sulong versions are going to be something alright.
Kanjuro vs everyone shows the guy has guts. Or as he’s behaved up to now, he’ll live or die by his performance. His living art looks suitably creepy, like the man himself.
Kaidou’s announcement sets stout hearts trembling in fear and shakes the world. The abolishment of the Shichibukai sends a message to the Yonkou that the WG are confident in their newly developed power the SSGs. Now is the time for the Beast Pirates and the BMP to ally to counter this new threat. To overcome and achieve victory they will seek out the Ancient Weapons and then, the One Piece itself.
Then Kaidou slices Orochi’s head clean off. Literally and figuratively cutting out the entire Wano revenge subplot. Could Orochi be alive especially with his DF’s full potential unrevealed? More than likely.
But, if he stays dead in the story then it’s probably because Oda (or his editors made him) realized the entire Wano revenge plot was taking too much space and time. Ultimately, the Wano arc was meant to lead to bigger things like the Ancient Weapons and One Piece – the whole deal with Oden’s flashback, the backstory to Zou – it was all meant to point beyond just simply defeating and killing Kaidou and Orochi and opening the borders. It was meant to move this two decade story forward that much closer to the end, the One Piece itself.
If Orochi comes back alive all that is achieved is Oda would have to spend pages and panels showing him losing his individual heads one by one as each Scabbard lopes them off, before what? Having 8-year old Momo finish him off and become the second youngest murderer in One Piece? It’s not like Orochi suddenly becomes a power house able to trouble the likes of Denjiro, Ashura Douji, the Dukes and so on and so forth. It’ll just be a one-sided revenge massacre anyway.
Some people still think BM gets redeemed and gets a new personality to excuse her 50 years of being a bloodthirsty murdering psychopath? Doesn’t look like it here. She’s all in with Kaidou. Even gets equal billing and panel space.
Even though she got Zeus back, it’s noteworthy that the entire scene was off-panelled. Almost like it didn’t matter. Feels like this is a temporary setback and that Nami will eventually get him back.
Though it was barely noticeable, the Kaidou x King double act was bloody cool and impressive. King intuitively knew his Captain’s wishes and acted accordingly. Same as when he went to confront the BMP over the falls. Same as when he called the Tobbi Roppo – he knew Kaidou had family troubles. And the longer Oda delays showing King the way he has Jack and Queen, the more excited I get thinking how he’s going to top those two in terms of portrayal. All these tiny glimpses, just whetting our appetites for more.
The last scenes are why I find it odd that Yamato claims she’s been beaten up all her life. If true, then Kaidou naming her Shogun would be counter-productive because Yamato will keep rebelling or trying to escape anyway or remain a thorn in his side, not rule New Onigashima as per his wishes. The reason he names Yamato as Shogun is because he thinks she will somehow snap out of it and become a good filial daughter? It’s sweet yet sad at the same time if he does. Shows he hasn’t given up on her. But I’m wondering if there is anything on Yamato’s end which would support this. She wants to beat the crap out of him and he still wants to give her a kingdom to rule? Not quite sure where Oda will take this plotline. Kaidou could be a monster of a father or there could be something else going on here. The jury is still out for me.
Luffy and Yamato interact like equals. Which is nice. The spoilers mentioned a flashback, but all we get is Yamato telling Luffy and the readers that she’d been kept and beaten up since she was 8 years old. Very telling that. And based on the lousy scans, it seems that she’s not even absolutely certain the cuffs will explode. Why does Oda add this bit of dialogue (if it’s translated correctly)? Feels like he wants some ambiguity concerning whether Kaidou is truly an abusive parent or perhaps not quite?
Also Luffy straight out called her on her charade. Then she even admits he’s even more of an Oden copy than she is. So, she’s not completely lost in a delusion.
As to her chances of becoming a crewmember, I’m ok with any option really. Whether she becomes one or not it’s all fine and dandy by me.
Nekomamushi and Inuarashi replacing their lost limbs with a machine gun arm and a sword leg respectively. Trust Oda to make it look both wacky and cool at the same time. Their Sulong versions are going to be something alright.
Kanjuro vs everyone shows the guy has guts. Or as he’s behaved up to now, he’ll live or die by his performance. His living art looks suitably creepy, like the man himself.
Kaidou’s announcement sets stout hearts trembling in fear and shakes the world. The abolishment of the Shichibukai sends a message to the Yonkou that the WG are confident in their newly developed power the SSGs. Now is the time for the Beast Pirates and the BMP to ally to counter this new threat. To overcome and achieve victory they will seek out the Ancient Weapons and then, the One Piece itself.
Then Kaidou slices Orochi’s head clean off. Literally and figuratively cutting out the entire Wano revenge subplot. Could Orochi be alive especially with his DF’s full potential unrevealed? More than likely.
But, if he stays dead in the story then it’s probably because Oda (or his editors made him) realized the entire Wano revenge plot was taking too much space and time. Ultimately, the Wano arc was meant to lead to bigger things like the Ancient Weapons and One Piece – the whole deal with Oden’s flashback, the backstory to Zou – it was all meant to point beyond just simply defeating and killing Kaidou and Orochi and opening the borders. It was meant to move this two decade story forward that much closer to the end, the One Piece itself.
If Orochi comes back alive all that is achieved is Oda would have to spend pages and panels showing him losing his individual heads one by one as each Scabbard lopes them off, before what? Having 8-year old Momo finish him off and become the second youngest murderer in One Piece? It’s not like Orochi suddenly becomes a power house able to trouble the likes of Denjiro, Ashura Douji, the Dukes and so on and so forth. It’ll just be a one-sided revenge massacre anyway.
Some people still think BM gets redeemed and gets a new personality to excuse her 50 years of being a bloodthirsty murdering psychopath? Doesn’t look like it here. She’s all in with Kaidou. Even gets equal billing and panel space.
Even though she got Zeus back, it’s noteworthy that the entire scene was off-panelled. Almost like it didn’t matter. Feels like this is a temporary setback and that Nami will eventually get him back.
Though it was barely noticeable, the Kaidou x King double act was bloody cool and impressive. King intuitively knew his Captain’s wishes and acted accordingly. Same as when he went to confront the BMP over the falls. Same as when he called the Tobbi Roppo – he knew Kaidou had family troubles. And the longer Oda delays showing King the way he has Jack and Queen, the more excited I get thinking how he’s going to top those two in terms of portrayal. All these tiny glimpses, just whetting our appetites for more.
The last scenes are why I find it odd that Yamato claims she’s been beaten up all her life. If true, then Kaidou naming her Shogun would be counter-productive because Yamato will keep rebelling or trying to escape anyway or remain a thorn in his side, not rule New Onigashima as per his wishes. The reason he names Yamato as Shogun is because he thinks she will somehow snap out of it and become a good filial daughter? It’s sweet yet sad at the same time if he does. Shows he hasn’t given up on her. But I’m wondering if there is anything on Yamato’s end which would support this. She wants to beat the crap out of him and he still wants to give her a kingdom to rule? Not quite sure where Oda will take this plotline. Kaidou could be a monster of a father or there could be something else going on here. The jury is still out for me.
Great Chapter. Shame about the Break.
I would be interested to see a meeting or confrontation between Kaido and Blackbeard since they are the two most malevolent of the Yonkos, both pursue devil fruits to reinforce their power and crews (though in different ways), both want to create their own pirate Paradise and to take the OP and overthrow the WG and both may see Xebec as their role model or even their father if Teach is really Xebec's son or nephew as some theorized while Kaido may be the surrogate son.
A clearer translation .
https://bato.to/chapter/1475494
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I am not in the mood to write but here some opinions for the chapter .
4.25/5
*Yamato won't join
**Orochi is alive ,so is Kanjuro
***Yamato too similar to Nami in this chapter
**** I don't think the alliance will fail even if we get this new Onigashima project. Defeat means death. We saw how Kaidou dealt with Orochi,no chance he let them live. It'd be pretty stupid at this point.
https://bato.to/chapter/1475494
________________
I am not in the mood to write but here some opinions for the chapter .
4.25/5
*Yamato won't join
**Orochi is alive ,so is Kanjuro
***Yamato too similar to Nami in this chapter
**** I don't think the alliance will fail even if we get this new Onigashima project. Defeat means death. We saw how Kaidou dealt with Orochi,no chance he let them live. It'd be pretty stupid at this point.
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