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op's been great
dont know why folks are so mad.
Goda still
Yes. The OP still has a lot of advantages, mostly tied to the plot(stories, characters, not samurai and Wano, they are terrible). The riddles and mysteries of the world still hold the bar high. But I don't see OP as a fighting manga for a long time. That's probably why I can read current events in manga so easily.
 
1) Ulti only grabbed Luffy cuz it was 2v1
2) Luffy didn’t use FS against Kaido
3) Zoro doesn’t grab people lmao

Even if Zoro can tag Luffy, can’t Luffy just hard block anything he throw out with barrier haki????

Haven’t convinced me that Luffy need Gear 4 for Zoro
Zoro has oden level ryou . And far greater ryou then kinemon who can hurt kaido who luffy couldn’t even scratch . You need to learn to read
 
calling people names is wrong
but the people baiting arent calling anyone names
rather mocking fictional characters
you on the other hand have called users here directly names.
you have no foot to stand on this.
dont be a hypocrite.
Critical Mindset used a homophobic slur yet got a slap in the wrist, people in here do nothing but treat each other as lesser beings for what characters they like and outright bully each other and I am sick of it

Nevermind Al is here so whatever
 
Zoro has oden level ryou . And far greater ryou then kinemon who can hurt kaido who luffy couldn’t even scratch . You need to learn to read
I didn't say ryou, I said barrier haki dafuggg???????
Zoro couldn't even cut Enel in ALabasta even tho he supposedly had Ryou back then. Even if his current Ryou were Oden level, Luffy could still just block it :/
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Seriously, in a no-holding back out of story fight (which is what we powerscalers are supposed to consider):

What stops Luffy from avoiding all of either Zoro or Sanji's attacks with Future Sight + G2 and just one shot deading them with Ryou to the skull????/?
 
I didn't say ryou, I said barrier haki dafuggg???????
Zoro couldn't even cut Enel in ALabasta even tho he supposedly had Ryou back then. Even if his current Ryou were Oden level, Luffy could still just block it :/
Ryou is barrier haki. That’s how a swordsman use ryou when he does not have a sword in hand. And he didn’t supposedly have it he literally did have it. You have to activate haki it’s not on your every sword swing . He did not use it against enel. Zoro has better coa then luffy . Get over it stop crying
 
Yes. The OP still has a lot of advantages, mostly tied to the plot(stories, characters, not samurai and Wano, they are terrible). The riddles and mysteries of the world still hold the bar high. But I don't see OP as a fighting manga for a long time. That's probably why I can read current events in manga so easily.
the way I see it
it still is a fighting manga
we just kinda have to understand oda doesnt intend to make anyone a god in this manga
the scabbards are determined
they are strong enough not top tiers but decent fighters
have ryou
they will hurt or be somewhat impactful against kaido and anyone in the series.


this is the first time we are seeing anyone go seriously at a yonko in their prime so I know folks are disappointed but dont be
kaido will win this anyways .
and again
oda builds up villains in such a way that their take down is almost disappointing or too convenient. its always been his formula. think op fans are just old enough now to want things to be more logical while we didnt care about such things as kids. every top tier has had moments where they didnt look like gods is the conclusion folks should take from this.
not kaido is shit,
oda lost his touch lol.
how about this when wano ends we have a deeper discusiion and if its shit , I will be the first to say so.
 
I didn't say ryou, I said barrier haki dafuggg???????
Zoro couldn't even cut Enel in ALabasta even tho he supposedly had Ryou back then. Even if his current Ryou were Oden level, Luffy could still just block it :/
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Seriously, in a no-holding back out of story fight (which is what we powerscalers are supposed to consider):

What stops Luffy from avoiding all of either Zoro or Sanji's attacks with Future Sight + G2 and just one shot deading them with Ryou to the skull????/?
Why are you grouping Sanji with zoro? They are no where near each other in strength or hype
 
Ryou is barrier haki. That’s how a swordsman use ryou when he does not have a sword in hand. And he didn’t supposedly have it he literally did have it. You have to activate haki it’s not on your every sword swing . He did not use it against enel. Zoro has better coa then luffy . Get over it stop crying
Nice headcanon I guess??? He did use it on Enel cuz we see the metal behind Enel get cut?????????? Why would he hold back on Enel dafugggg???????????

And again, assuming Zoro can even tag Luffy, barrier haki will practically nullify all of it. Assuming Zoro's COA is better than Luffy's (which I'm not sure of at all lmao), it's not significantly better to the point where he can easily break Luffy's barrier??????
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Why are you grouping Sanji with zoro? They are no where near each other in strength or hype
They're both signifcantly far from Luffy.
 

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Nice headcanon I guess??? He did use it on Enel cuz we see the metal behind Enel get cut?????????? Why would he hold back on Enel dafugggg???????????

And again, assuming Zoro can even tag Luffy, barrier haki will practically nullify all of it. Assuming Zoro's COA is better than Luffy's (which I'm not sure of at all lmao), it's not significantly better to the point where he can easily break Luffy's barrier??????
Zoro only used haki pre skip when using shi son son
Skypia happens to be the only arc from alabasta to thriller bark he doesn't use it.
We know why.
Because his coa > luffys in terms of strength
Luffys hardening is shit its been broken or stated to be weaker than all his opponents post timeskip from hody to ulti.
Having barrier doesnt make you unstoppbable boa sisters had it. Luffy overpowered them.
 
How does Zoro overcome Luffy's FS? How does Zoro overcome Luffy's barrier? How does Zoro overcome Luffy's better speed? How does Zoro overcoming Luffy's better endurance (tanking attacks from Katakuri for 12 hours straight >>> passing out to a tummy ache)?

And this is all NOT including gear 4???
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Face it, even if Zoro can beat non-gear 4 Luffy, it's extreme high diff
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Sanjitards say Sanji = Zoro. Zorotards say Zoro = Luffy.

It's all a bunch of cap.
 

HA001

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How does Zoro overcome Luffy's FS? How does Zoro overcome Luffy's barrier? How does Zoro overcome Luffy's better speed? How does Zoro overcoming Luffy's better endurance (tanking attacks from Katakuri for 12 hours straight >>> passing out to a tummy ache)?

And this is all NOT including gear 4???
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Face it, even if Zoro can beat non-gear 4 Luffy, it's extreme high diff
Luffy cant use fs like kata can.
Luffy aint tanking sword attacks like he did katas punches for shit.
 
Nice headcanon I guess??? He did use it on Enel cuz we see the metal behind Enel get cut?????????? Why would he hold back on Enel dafugggg???????????

And again, assuming Zoro can even tag Luffy, barrier haki will practically nullify all of it. Assuming Zoro's COA is better than Luffy's (which I'm not sure of at all lmao), it's not significantly better to the point where he can easily break Luffy's barrier??????
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They're both signifcantly far from Luffy.
Zoro is not significant behind luffy . They are both worst generation. Zoro has better coa on the same level as oden and above the scabbards who are doing more damage to kaido meanwhile luffy couldn’t do shit to kaido. How about you deal with actual feats from the manga instead of your own made up crap
 
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