One Piece Episode 1127 - Luffy vs. Kizaru! A Fierce Kaleidoscopic Battle
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Its literally not.
The average quality of the show has improved dramatically.
The compositing and lighting the show has been completely overhauled to be overwhelming more interesting and varied. This doesn't come through in every episode all the time, but the show just generally looks a lot better even when there is nothing going on.
There is also, just a fuck ton more animation. Whereas previously there might be a decent animation highlight or two every 3 or 4 episodes on average, typically an action scene, typically when one of the staffs one or two top tier animation directors handled an episode, we not only get an animation highlight far more consistently, we also get far more of them, and far more frequently.
Thats partially because there are just far more staff working on the series. Thinking back to WCI or Dressrosa for example, there would maybe be 4 or 5 consistent animators that would be expected to deliver solid action, and that was pretty much it.
Nowadays, there are so many talented animators not only who are already experienced and joining the staff or doing free lance work, but also just new animators who are developing and fostering their skills on the show.
Like, you say "ten seconds of animation", but lets use episode 1126 as an example. That was probably the weakest episode since we've gotten back from break.
That had a 2 and half minute Shida action scene, as well as another minute long sequence that was animated really well in relation to Bonney, which was literally by a fairly up and coming animator.
Shida barely used to do 1 minute long sequences on the animator, and that would have been the highlight of the episode. Doing two and half minutes in 1126, after already doing nearly 4 minutes of animation in 1125 is frankly nuts. That episode had 4 creditted key animators(with a few uncreditted ones). Thats an exceptionally tiny staff list.
Also, I'll put it this way, having minutes of solid action scenes, is REALLY difficult for any show, much less a long runner like One Piece. The fact that we've had multiple episodes where pretty much every action scene is really well done is a testament to the shows improvement.
I'll put it this way, people aren't making those famous "TOEI" videos anymore, which had hundreds of thousands of views dunking on the animation of the series, because its simply not as true anymore(unless your grandlinereview lol).
Also, the art quality is just far more consistent as well. Even in scenes which don't move as much, things generally look more on model on average.
The average quality of the show has improved dramatically.
The compositing and lighting the show has been completely overhauled to be overwhelming more interesting and varied. This doesn't come through in every episode all the time, but the show just generally looks a lot better even when there is nothing going on.
There is also, just a fuck ton more animation. Whereas previously there might be a decent animation highlight or two every 3 or 4 episodes on average, typically an action scene, typically when one of the staffs one or two top tier animation directors handled an episode, we not only get an animation highlight far more consistently, we also get far more of them, and far more frequently.
Thats partially because there are just far more staff working on the series. Thinking back to WCI or Dressrosa for example, there would maybe be 4 or 5 consistent animators that would be expected to deliver solid action, and that was pretty much it.
Nowadays, there are so many talented animators not only who are already experienced and joining the staff or doing free lance work, but also just new animators who are developing and fostering their skills on the show.
Like, you say "ten seconds of animation", but lets use episode 1126 as an example. That was probably the weakest episode since we've gotten back from break.
That had a 2 and half minute Shida action scene, as well as another minute long sequence that was animated really well in relation to Bonney, which was literally by a fairly up and coming animator.
Shida barely used to do 1 minute long sequences on the animator, and that would have been the highlight of the episode. Doing two and half minutes in 1126, after already doing nearly 4 minutes of animation in 1125 is frankly nuts. That episode had 4 creditted key animators(with a few uncreditted ones). Thats an exceptionally tiny staff list.
Also, I'll put it this way, having minutes of solid action scenes, is REALLY difficult for any show, much less a long runner like One Piece. The fact that we've had multiple episodes where pretty much every action scene is really well done is a testament to the shows improvement.
I'll put it this way, people aren't making those famous "TOEI" videos anymore, which had hundreds of thousands of views dunking on the animation of the series, because its simply not as true anymore(unless your grandlinereview lol).
Also, the art quality is just far more consistent as well. Even in scenes which don't move as much, things generally look more on model on average.
From Reddit:
....I don't even know what to make of this one.
Why tf would the guy with a time limit try to stall? Like how does that even work?
Anyhoo I knew Toei would try and cock this up somehow, but this was not what I was expecting lol.
I'm lowering my expectations for the anime in advance, it feels like the chance of Toei doing Akainu v Whitebeard 2.0 with Kizaru and Luffy is a lot higher now.
....I don't even know what to make of this one.
Why tf would the guy with a time limit try to stall? Like how does that even work?
Anyhoo I knew Toei would try and cock this up somehow, but this was not what I was expecting lol.
I'm lowering my expectations for the anime in advance, it feels like the chance of Toei doing Akainu v Whitebeard 2.0 with Kizaru and Luffy is a lot higher now.
From Reddit:
....I don't even know what to make of this one.
Why tf would the guy with a time limit try to stall? Like how does that even work?
Anyhoo I knew Toei would try and cock this up somehow, but this was not what I was expecting lol.
I'm lowering my expectations for the anime in advance, it feels like the chance of Toei doing Akainu v Whitebeard 2.0 with Kizaru and Luffy is a lot higher now.
....I don't even know what to make of this one.
Why tf would the guy with a time limit try to stall? Like how does that even work?
Anyhoo I knew Toei would try and cock this up somehow, but this was not what I was expecting lol.
I'm lowering my expectations for the anime in advance, it feels like the chance of Toei doing Akainu v Whitebeard 2.0 with Kizaru and Luffy is a lot higher now.
So Kizaru need to fight Zori right?
Chansard:
Regarding Kizaru's fighting style Kizaru almost always starts fights using his legs if he can get away with it, his lazy justice making him do minimal efforts at first, he only pulls out his sword when he’s getting serious. (Best example: Kizaru vs Rayleigh.)
@Sentinel @MarineHQ
Chansard:
Regarding Kizaru's fighting style Kizaru almost always starts fights using his legs if he can get away with it, his lazy justice making him do minimal efforts at first, he only pulls out his sword when he’s getting serious. (Best example: Kizaru vs Rayleigh.)
@Sentinel @MarineHQ
From Reddit:
....I don't even know what to make of this one.
Why tf would the guy with a time limit try to stall? Like how does that even work?
Anyhoo I knew Toei would try and cock this up somehow, but this was not what I was expecting lol.
I'm lowering my expectations for the anime in advance, it feels like the chance of Toei doing Akainu v Whitebeard 2.0 with Kizaru and Luffy is a lot higher now.
....I don't even know what to make of this one.
Why tf would the guy with a time limit try to stall? Like how does that even work?
Anyhoo I knew Toei would try and cock this up somehow, but this was not what I was expecting lol.
I'm lowering my expectations for the anime in advance, it feels like the chance of Toei doing Akainu v Whitebeard 2.0 with Kizaru and Luffy is a lot higher now.
Conversely Kizaru wasnt trying to fight Luffy and kept trying to get away to finish his mission.
This is different from Kaido vs Luffy where Luffy was fighting for the kill.
Dont lower your expectations my friend, everything will be fine. They will show that Kizaru doesnt want to fight Luffy either and is just trying to fulfill his mission.
Its a two way thing dont worry.
Like what would they abridge?
It's the wording that raises flags for me. He kinda makes it seem like there was a clear underdog in the Luffy-Kizaru encounter, rather than two similarly powerful entities trying to move around each other.
I agree that Luffy wasn't as desperate against Kizaru as when he fought Kaido. Different situations after all.
The problem is that the suspension of disbelief only goes so far here.
Are we really to believe that Luffy would just avoid using all his strengths against an opponent as mobile and potent as Kizaru, especially when using as G5 which offers massive power with a high drain?
It just makes him like way more of a reckless idjit than he already is, and reduces the stakes of the fight, such as they are.
At the very least given the parallels he should have been like Sabaody Rayleigh IMI - confident but also trying hard while not desperate.
....also if we're going by indicators was anybody using haki in that fight lol? I genuinely don't know if Kizaru even used emission. Oda really hasn't done the Admirals justice in terms of haki.
I agree that Luffy wasn't as desperate against Kizaru as when he fought Kaido. Different situations after all.
The problem is that the suspension of disbelief only goes so far here.
Are we really to believe that Luffy would just avoid using all his strengths against an opponent as mobile and potent as Kizaru, especially when using as G5 which offers massive power with a high drain?
It just makes him like way more of a reckless idjit than he already is, and reduces the stakes of the fight, such as they are.
At the very least given the parallels he should have been like Sabaody Rayleigh IMI - confident but also trying hard while not desperate.
....also if we're going by indicators was anybody using haki in that fight lol? I genuinely don't know if Kizaru even used emission. Oda really hasn't done the Admirals justice in terms of haki.
Not trying to defeat Kizaru doesnt mean he was messing around, he was exerting some effort but this:
Is literally Luffy aknowledging Kizaru's words that ''they'' are playing around. You wanna ignore it be my guest lmfao.
Luff knew G4 and didnt use it against Hody Jones, Luffy has always been written like a retard when the plot calls for it. Its just Oda being Oda mate.
I agree with the rest. Oda made it way more subtle this time and it may fly over some watchers heads.
Is literally Luffy aknowledging Kizaru's words that ''they'' are playing around. You wanna ignore it be my guest lmfao.
Luff knew G4 and didnt use it against Hody Jones, Luffy has always been written like a retard when the plot calls for it. Its just Oda being Oda mate.
I agree with the rest. Oda made it way more subtle this time and it may fly over some watchers heads.
I literally don't care about powerscaling implications. Where did I ever even mention that?
I'm saying I hate this new "modern art" bullshit going on with the anime nowadays.
I want clean drawings instead of weird squiggly flowing crap all around. I would've posted some images if attaching screenshots without a link was easy here.
I don't want debri and rocks to just explode into a bunch of cubes, instead of how it naturally breaks down.
I don't want unnecessary auras, flashiness and lightning all around the place. Let it be saved for when it actually matters (in moderation).
I want action to happen for a more logical reason, than it just happening.
Pre Wano animation was by no means perfect, or even good.
It was mostly slide show. But at least the art was clean and it didn't spray my face with auras and lights..... And when it mattered the most, it did deliver clean animations.
I suppose I am in the minority here though, considering that majority of people seem to enjoy this style of animation. Well, you enjoy I guess.....
I'm saying I hate this new "modern art" bullshit going on with the anime nowadays.
I want clean drawings instead of weird squiggly flowing crap all around. I would've posted some images if attaching screenshots without a link was easy here.
I don't want debri and rocks to just explode into a bunch of cubes, instead of how it naturally breaks down.
I don't want unnecessary auras, flashiness and lightning all around the place. Let it be saved for when it actually matters (in moderation).
I want action to happen for a more logical reason, than it just happening.
Pre Wano animation was by no means perfect, or even good.
It was mostly slide show. But at least the art was clean and it didn't spray my face with auras and lights..... And when it mattered the most, it did deliver clean animations.
I suppose I am in the minority here though, considering that majority of people seem to enjoy this style of animation. Well, you enjoy I guess.....
Not trying to defeats Kizaru doesnt mean he was messing around, he was exerting some effort but this:
Is literally Luffy aknowledging Kizaru's words that ''they'' are playing around. You wanna ignore it be my guest lmfao.
Luff knew G4 and didnt use it against Hody Jones, Luffy has always been written like a retard when the plot calls for it. Its just Oda being Oda mate.
I agree with the rest. Oda made it way more subtle this time and it may fly over some watchers heads.
Is literally Luffy aknowledging Kizaru's words that ''they'' are playing around. You wanna ignore it be my guest lmfao.
Luff knew G4 and didnt use it against Hody Jones, Luffy has always been written like a retard when the plot calls for it. Its just Oda being Oda mate.
I agree with the rest. Oda made it way more subtle this time and it may fly over some watchers heads.