General & Others One Piece should have a databook of powers/skills and stats like Naruto?

Kiddoo

Kiddoo

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One Piece debates always lack facts, no one ever really has a true opinion, no one ever changes their opinion, portrait interpretations are used a lot all the time, there are always two sides arguing and no one can prove shit. Databooks explaining powers in One Piece are useless as it's all before Time Skip.

Unlike other authors, Oda never spends many skill explanation balloons, it's at most a little balloon with a little sentence explaining something like K-room, but nothing detailed.
 
Kiddoo

Kiddoo

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The Naruto databooks are wonderful. A lot of people can use the databook explanations to argue. An example of how useful the databook explaining DF techniques and powers would be is to solve very boring questions to discuss in fandom: how does King's lunar powers work? Does Queen's Invisibility Really Ignore Kenbunshoku? How exactly does Kid's magnetism work (as mere metals cannot harm a Yonko). For example, the databook explaining that Kid's metals are potencialized by magnetic force and acceleration, the databook explaining the right IJ saying that it actually produces electricity. And etc etc etc
 
Gaimon The Pirate

Gaimon The Pirate

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lee33 said:
Lol you can't compare Naruto power system to that of One Piece. It is night and day. Kishimoto actually cared about logical power systems (until the final war arc). A One Piece stat book will only expose how bad the power system is.
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The wonderful system of power of Naruto, where Naruto since volume 20 to the end wins by having more chackra and using rasengan and variation of rasengan.
Frog mode -> frog rasengan.
Kyubi mode -> kyubi rasengan.

Naruto power system half died with Shippuden, fully died after pein.
One piece is 1050 chapters long.
 
lee33

lee33

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Gaimon The Pirate said:
The wonderful system of power of Naruto, where Naruto since volume 20 to the end wins by having more chackra and using rasengan and variation of rasengan.
Frog mode -> frog rasengan.
Kyubi mode -> kyubi rasengan.

Naruto power system half died with Shippuden, fully died after pein.
One piece is 1050 chapters long.
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Naruto trained in Sage mode and defeated Pain with sage mode.

Luffy trained in Ryou and then got ACoC and then G5 out his ass so why waste the readers time with Luffy training in Ryou.

So yep Naruto power system >> One Piece. Not even debatable.
 
Gaimon The Pirate

Gaimon The Pirate

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lee33 said:
Naruto trained in Sage mode and defeated Pain with sage mode.

Luffy trained in Ryou and then got ACoC and then G5 out his ass so why waste the readers time with Luffy training in Ryou.

So yep Naruto power system >> One Piece. Not even debatable.
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Yeah, the great sage mode. Already useless by the following arc.
Naruto had how many kyubi power ups? The only time that he used non-kyubo powers is sage mode, which is what coincidentally people only talk about.
Naruto literally got handed god mode out of his ass, while the g5 was known that was to happem, or you are telling me that you werent expecting the fruit to awaken? The retcon of the fruit is asspul, awakening is not. And at the end, they are just the same thing.
Naruto literally is a character being so overwhelmingly strong 75% through the story that we have literally Madara being unbeatable just to have something to give against naruto. Then you have gods. Literally the Chakra creator level are on par with Naruto. Not even Dragonball has stuff like that before Super.

Naruto in front of the strongest became a literal God, God almighty creator of chakra.
Luffy awakened his fruit which resulted in cartoon shenaningans that make power level obsessed people seethe, because they wanted an endgier transformation like Naruto.

And at least we have a cast of useful characters that help Luffy. Naruto was low diff his entire universe.
 
Kiddoo

Kiddoo

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soheilhazrat said:
Oda is trash at writing fights/power system
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If Naruto didn't have a databook, debates and power escalations would be rubbish too, believe me
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The topic is not about power levels, it's about technical terms and powers explained by the author, either databook or manga. If One Piece had a decent databook and a perfect narrator explaining everything in detail like HxH, you guys wouldn't keep saying it sucks.
 
Gaimon The Pirate

Gaimon The Pirate

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Yasheen said:
“Itachi negs the verse with genjutsu”:cheers:
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Naruto God Mode the whole universe.

But waitz maybe a guy that has 1 technique that controls shadows can beat him!

Naruto doesn't make sense, it is NEVER explained why people cannot just steal moves. People can see each other move at ultra speed but looking at their hands and copying their move is non possible.

But why steal when Rasengan and chidori are the only viable moves?
 
Kiddoo

Kiddoo

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Monkey D. Luffy said:
No, because I will burn every single one of them when it puts Chopper below Robin, Franky, and Brook.
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The author would never do that.

The biggest importance of databooks are the explanations of skills. One Piece already had in the first databooks, the Trio Monstro was practically the same with a single point difference.
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You guys see this example here:



A HxH fan making this table would be crucified, labeled a nutcase, and drugged. But it was the author who did it. And they say Oda is horrible with Power scarling.

Although I think Zoro/Yamato/Sanji/Kid's stats are ridiculously close in Oda's head.
 
Gaimon The Pirate

Gaimon The Pirate

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Kiddoo said:
The author would never do that.

The biggest importance of databooks are the explanations of skills. One Piece already had in the first databooks, the Trio Monstro was practically the same with a single point difference.
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You guys see this example here:



A HxH fan making this table would be crucified, labeled a nutcase, and drugged. But it was the author who did it. And they say Oda is horrible with Power scarling.

Although I think Zoro/Yamato/Sanji/Kid's stats are ridiculously close in Oda's head.
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I believe that all the one you mentioned and Law are super close to eqch other, also jimbe. But Neko, Marco too.
There is now a lot of character that are incredibly strong.
People are too used to the fact that SH have been always catching up. After 100 volumes they have caught up. They are at the end.
And they have to fight the whole world with people just as strong as them
 
Fn Lucci

Fn Lucci

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Oda was smart enough not to fall into that pit. The longer the story and the more characters there are, stats will work you into a corner and fail you. Just ask Toriyama. Shit, ask Marvel. 70 years and they've bent over backwards explaining how strong their characters are in terms of weight lifted. Data book after data book.

Naruto is a different beast because the fighting system is one thing.

"bUt EvErYoNe Is DiFfErEnT"
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Kiddoo

Kiddoo

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Yasheen said:
“Itachi negs the verse with genjutsu”:cheers:
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I've participated in Naruto forums for many years and I've never seen a fan of Itachi argue this. Visual genjutsu are easily countered by fighting from a distance, not looking in the eye, having sensory abilities, etc...
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Fn Lucci said:
Oda was smart enough not to fall into that pit. The longer the story and the more characters there are, stats will work you into a corner and fail you. Just ask Toriyama. Shit, ask Marvel. 70 years and they've bent over backwards explaining how strong their characters are in terms of weight lifted. Data book after data book.

Naruto is a different beast because the fighting system is one thing.

"bUt EvErYoNe Is DiFfErEnT"
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Okay, ignore the stats and levels. But what about better explanations of skills that databooks provide? Or do you think it's better for things to continue as they are from headcanon based debates?
 
BillSlipton

BillSlipton

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Kiddoo said:
The Naruto databooks are wonderful. A lot of people can use the databook explanations to argue. An example of how useful the databook explaining DF techniques and powers would be is to solve very boring questions to discuss in fandom: how does King's lunar powers work? Does Queen's Invisibility Really Ignore Kenbunshoku? How exactly does Kid's magnetism work (as mere metals cannot harm a Yonko). For example, the databook explaining that Kid's metals are potencialized by magnetic force and acceleration, the databook explaining the right IJ saying that it actually produces electricity. And etc etc etc
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Wtf u mean u need a databook to tell if sanji produced plasma or not. It's literally on the panels. It doesn't need a databook
 
Gaimon The Pirate

Gaimon The Pirate

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Kiddoo said:
I've participated in Naruto forums for many years and I've never seen a fan of Itachi argue this. Visual genjutsu are easily countered by fighting from a distance, not looking in the eye, having sensory abilities, etc...
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Okay, ignore the stats and levels. But what about better explanations of skills that databooks provide? Or do you think it's better for things to continue as they are from headcanon based debates?
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Yeah, unless itachi points a finger towards you, and you are already dead. Or simolar shenanigans. Hell, look at the fight with Sasuke.
The only thing that comes close to beating sharingqn is god mode naruto.

Tell me one fruit in one piece that is not clear what it does?
 
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