so orochimaru says facts
but tobirama saying stuff is written to excuse
picking and choosing
??? No I’m agreeing with you, they’re both true and it’s obvious the Uchiha excuse was written in as a way of justifying Sasuke going from die hard Anti-Alliance to wanting to be Kage
the onus is on you to prove orochimaru is being truthful
This dude has been nothing but a piece of shit and liar
No, you’re the one debating the claim. Give me a reason with a manga supported panel to suggest Orochimaru is either misinformed or lying.
Because Kishi sure as Hell didn’t do either.
that is entirely on kishi
So again, the one bit of info we got for his tenure is from Orochimaru. With no one in or out of universe contradicting it.
btw, none of this would have happened if danzo the clown did not stop the uchiha from aiding against 9 tails.
Non canon, this doesn’t exist in the manga. It’s from the anime and possibly a novel iirc