Biggest 2025 expectation?

  • Nami cutting her hair

    Votes: 21 13.4%
  • Shanks not having a twin

    Votes: 12 7.6%
  • Finding One Piece

    Votes: 7 4.5%
  • Imu face reveal

    Votes: 97 61.8%
  • Vegaskunk finally dying

    Votes: 20 12.7%

  • Total voters
    157
God Hiruzen was pathetic, if he didn't want to kill Orochimaru he could've at least detained him
What a fucking clown, Tsnunade clears
Isn't it funny that Hiruzen is never to blame for anything when he could've prevented a ton of bad stuff if he simply wasn't so passive yet when his most skilled Shinobi win the wars for him he gets all the praise as if he had done it himself.

Lmao. Dude is such a loser.
 
The Uchiha were already discriminated against by the time Obito released the 9 tails

You’re ignoring what were told to create your own head canon lol
Point out where I said anything about a lack of discrimination. Cause I’ll agree if you can find it.

I never said they weren’t discriminated against. I said they didn’t become public enemy number one until after the 9 Tails attack, which is true.

Canonically they weren’t pushed to the outskirts and spied on until after Obito’s attack. The tension and disrespect is what led to the potential coup which then led to the massacre

Tobirama is not blameless for their discrimination but the massacre is 99% Madara’s fault. You can blame him for the downfall of his clan
 
Madara resenting not being Hokage is his own problem
The Uchiha could have still be part of the village peacefully and they accepted it

Only Madara was a bitch about it
uchiha and senju had decades of warring history

that would not have forgotten just cause they got a territory inside the village

Madara still had sympathizers when he left. They would have existed and spread that down to their children still.

That doesn’t mean Uchiha should have been ostracized inside Konoha
what ostracization?

The police station and jails were on the outskirts. So tobirama gave them territory there.

We don't see much hatred for the uchiha, if any at all, before the 9 tails attack

You go on and on about how madara's hatred is his own problem. And how Obito getting manipulated was terrible luck.

Same can be said for the 9 tails attack that disrupted the village and started the uchiha hatred. That's all on madara. not tobirama.

Also, Danzo the retard is one of THE biggest problems. He was not appointed by tobirama. Hiruzen the retard gave him unchecked power. Danzo's own ideals are what caused him to fuck up the uchiha and ultimately led to the genocide.

Tobirama had nothing to do with that. He chose hiruzen. But he thought hiruzen would do right by him. He couldn't have known he would be a weak fuck that delegated all the darkness of konoha to danzo.

Tobirama's biggest mistake was hiruzen.
The stronger the bonds with the village the better for Konoha and less chance of revolt / coup
They would have been manipulated and torn apart by zetsu/madara plans all the same.
 
Also, Danzo the retard is one of THE biggest problems. He was not appointed by tobirama. Hiruzen the retard gave him unchecked power. Danzo's own ideals are what caused him to fuck up the uchiha and ultimately led to the genocide.

Tobirama had nothing to do with that. He chose hiruzen. But he thought hiruzen would do right by him. He couldn't have known he would be a weak fuck that delegated all the darkness of konoha to danzo.

Tobirama's biggest mistake was hiruzen.
:BigW:
 
Would never happen in a million years. Lol

Hanafuda was able to rival Kaido, something Saint Shanks the Holy Roppo could never accomplish in a million years.

I’m just one SBS, Oda confirmed Saint Shanks was beneath YC2 let that sink in
:Haku_Shovel::Haku_Shovel::Haku_Shovel:
Shanks rivals Joyboy :endthis:

Meanwhile Luzan, Akainu's near equal, was nearly an Old non-serious Garp victim:josad:

Sakazuki couldn't even damage a braindead Kuma :whitepress:

These are your heroes?:suresure:
 
If he was, someone would’ve corrected him. Or kishi would’ve made this apparent at some point post-this interaction, it it really wasn’t true. Instead nobody questions it, not Hiruzen who had to live through Tobirama’s legacy.
nobody questioned Tobirama explaining uchiha self destructive stuff and how they are a danger too. Not even hashi who lived through the uchiha senju war and had uchiha friends.

So by your logic, he was 100% justified to discriminate against uchiha

Are you trying to say the guy obsessed with ninjutsu isn’t a big fan of the Kage known for inventing high level ninjutsu? Come on lmfao this is such cope
yeah he is a fan of the jutsu inventing shit
not policy...

you can like a guy's inventions and still lie about him lol.
 
1. Who wrote the dialogue
2. Did Hiruzen or Minato, two people who would be fully capable of refuting Orochimaru, step up to do so?

It is presented as a fact with the story moving on, there’s no indication Orochimaru is wrong here.
So according to you all dialogue in a story is true due to it being written by the author? Be serious

It isn’t presented as fact. Is Tobirama’s understanding of the “Uchiha evil” and their mental struggles presented as fact because no one in the room refuted it? If we use your logic then it should be

No, Tobirama just invented a morally atrocious jutsu that requires human sacrifice and grave robbing.

That’s not a good legacy lmfao
I didn’t claim it was a good legacy. All I said was it can’t be used to place the blame on him.

Tobirama isn’t the one that brought Madara back to life. Again, you’re trying to pin the blame on him for things he didn’t do

He made the jutsu, used it for war, then passed away. Everything that happened with it afterwards has nothing to do with him
 
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