General & Others People who say Zoro will be nothing more than an Underling should read carefully
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You read 1150+ OP chapters and you start a thread with something that ain't true...
When will people understand that Luffy doesn't have subordinates but friends instead?
Nothing suggests that Rocks members or BBP members were subordinates.
While they may not have been nakama, they grouped up in order to achieve a common goal.
Whitebeard himself literally says >Who said I was your follower?
When will people understand that Luffy doesn't have subordinates but friends instead?
Nothing suggests that Rocks members or BBP members were subordinates.
While they may not have been nakama, they grouped up in order to achieve a common goal.
Whitebeard himself literally says >Who said I was your follower?
WTF is this reasoning, how does Ray spending time in gambling dens gets him so much more infamy? What was the 3 decade long pirate career for? Are you nuts? Read your post before sending it next time.
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Bro, Zoro called Luffy the captain in Chap 6, right from the beginning. The crew dynamics are different but everyone has accepted that Luffy is the captain. If Zoro thinks something is really wrong then he puts his foot down, otherwise he lets thing go.
After the Strawhats disband, Zoro will be going about his business doing whatever it is WSS do.
Maybe one day he'll return to Kuina's village, or return to Wano to live in the land of his ancestors.
Along his travels, he may be occasionally have companions, but he will never captain a crew of any kind. That's just not his style.
Zoro is a capable leader figure. He's not a willing leader. He has no interest in that sort of responsibility.
Maybe one day he'll return to Kuina's village, or return to Wano to live in the land of his ancestors.
Along his travels, he may be occasionally have companions, but he will never captain a crew of any kind. That's just not his style.
Zoro is a capable leader figure. He's not a willing leader. He has no interest in that sort of responsibility.
WTF is this reasoning, how does Ray spending time in gambling dens gets him so much more infamy? What was the 3 decade long pirate career for? Are you nuts? Read your post before sending it next time.
That's the reason why his name still has so much clout, because people recognise him as the right hand of PK. Ray doesn't have a single individual achievement to his name as a pirate
Gaban has been practically non existent to the OP world outside of Elbaf for past 20 years. That's why his name doesn't come up often.
Correct but SHs dynamic has always been that of friends instead of subordinates.
It is not just Zoro who acts against Luffy when he thinks he should, it is the same for all the members.
What unites them is that they all think helping Luffy achieve his own dream is something worth doing, that's why they are aligned with Luffy's wishes most of the time.
It is not just Zoro who acts against Luffy when he thinks he should, it is the same for all the members.
What unites them is that they all think helping Luffy achieve his own dream is something worth doing, that's why they are aligned with Luffy's wishes most of the time.
Because that way Ray's name comes up most often around gambling dens, and since Sabaody is closely monitored area by marines they are more aware of what he is doing. Garp says the same thing.
That's the reason why his name still has so much clout, because people recognise him as the right hand of PK. Ray doesn't have a single individual achievement to his name as a pirate
Gaban has been practically non existent to the OP world outside of Elbaf for past 20 years. That's why his name doesn't come up often.
That's the reason why his name still has so much clout, because people recognise him as the right hand of PK. Ray doesn't have a single individual achievement to his name as a pirate
Gaban has been practically non existent to the OP world outside of Elbaf for past 20 years. That's why his name doesn't come up often.
Ray keeps a low profile but man is so fucking chad being near the Marines knowing they cant really come for him, they better bring more than an Admiral.
No, im saying his name comes up more often since he wonders around marines monitored area as compared to Gaban. His infamy/clout as a pirate is strictly due to him being PKs right hand man. When it comes to individual achievements, he has none as a pirate. Everything about him is tied to him just being on PK ship. Replace Rayleigh with someone else in that same condition, they would also have the same clout as Rayleigh
The Strawhats are more akin to a found family unit than any sort of conventional crew.
They nevertheless absolutely have a hierarchy, and Luffy's word is final.
Zoro insists on it.
Zoro considers Luffy his best friend and formal superior. It's part of what motivates him to become powerful.
Opinions may differ, but I find it difficult to find cooler moments for their dynamic than when Luffy gives an order Zoro carries out without fail.
It's a dynamic that really began to shine in the Water 7 Saga - for both wings.
The coolest Monster Trio moments typically involve either Luffy issuing orders or the Wings acting like Wings.
Wano marks a different era of their subordination to Luffy, who is on the cusp of becoming Pirate King.
They nevertheless absolutely have a hierarchy, and Luffy's word is final.
Zoro insists on it.
Zoro considers Luffy his best friend and formal superior. It's part of what motivates him to become powerful.
Opinions may differ, but I find it difficult to find cooler moments for their dynamic than when Luffy gives an order Zoro carries out without fail.
It's a dynamic that really began to shine in the Water 7 Saga - for both wings.
The coolest Monster Trio moments typically involve either Luffy issuing orders or the Wings acting like Wings.
Wano marks a different era of their subordination to Luffy, who is on the cusp of becoming Pirate King.
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Shanks agenda is a drug. The reality is grim but the author makes the people on the agenda feel as good as possible
Gets constantly hyped as Pirate Jesus but is still below far less hyped characters like Mihawk and will lose to Teach eventually… and will probably get wanked in defeat too
A massive part of the Shanks agenda has been him being above his powerscaling rival and that’s not the case even though Shanks is wanked far more
So yeah it’s a drug. You feel good if you’re in it but the overarching painful reality never goes away
Gets constantly hyped as Pirate Jesus but is still below far less hyped characters like Mihawk and will lose to Teach eventually… and will probably get wanked in defeat too
A massive part of the Shanks agenda has been him being above his powerscaling rival and that’s not the case even though Shanks is wanked far more
So yeah it’s a drug. You feel good if you’re in it but the overarching painful reality never goes away
Garp mentioned him as a legend because he is one of the remnant of old era and he was the right hand of PK
BB retreated because he would have to fight against the combined force of Rayleigh + marines + seraphim.
Kizaru literally used Ray's combat style, something which is not his primary form of combat and still matched Ray while holding back. Ray didn't save the SHs, Kumar did.
If Kuma hadn't sent them, Ray would've gassed out against Kizaru and then the SHs would've been captured.
BB retreated because he would have to fight against the combined force of Rayleigh + marines + seraphim.
Kizaru literally used Ray's combat style, something which is not his primary form of combat and still matched Ray while holding back. Ray didn't save the SHs, Kumar did.
If Kuma hadn't sent them, Ray would've gassed out against Kizaru and then the SHs would've been captured.
Garp literally said the Marines can't handle 2 legends on same lvl as Whitebeard and Rayleigh at same time.
Blackbeard retreated because of Rayleigh reputation please learn to read the manga properly.
Nope Rayleigh forced him into that style because that was Kizaru best outcome. Kizaru even said Rayleigh was holding him back yet somehow you think he held back. If you bring future feats into I can just counter that Rayleigh never went all out either. Oda had Rayleigh say in his prime he would've handle the SA situation.
Blackbeard retreated because of Rayleigh reputation please learn to read the manga properly.
Nope Rayleigh forced him into that style because that was Kizaru best outcome. Kizaru even said Rayleigh was holding him back yet somehow you think he held back. If you bring future feats into I can just counter that Rayleigh never went all out either. Oda had Rayleigh say in his prime he would've handle the SA situation.
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That makes no sense specially knowing how strong Whitebeard is and how navy would be willing to kill him. The fact Sengoku knew about Ace and Garp makes no fucking sense but imagine navy finding out when Ace was still a kid? What could Garp alone and Mountain Bandits do?
On the other way Whitebeard would have a whole crew with him.
On the other way Whitebeard would have a whole crew with him.
Give me the panel where Garp states that both WB and Ray are on same level. He called them legends only which when you put in context refers to what I said in my post
There's no evidence of this. The situation favoured Ray because BB had to face marines + seraphim as well.
Kizaru has a different fighting style than Rayleigh, and yet Kizaru easily matched Rayleigh's fighting style. Rayleigh said he could handle the situation better in his prime, not that he would've completely taken care of it. Prime Ray isn't even pushing Kizaru to mid diff.
There's no evidence of this. The situation favoured Ray because BB had to face marines + seraphim as well.
Kizaru has a different fighting style than Rayleigh, and yet Kizaru easily matched Rayleigh's fighting style. Rayleigh said he could handle the situation better in his prime, not that he would've completely taken care of it. Prime Ray isn't even pushing Kizaru to mid diff.