Questions & Mysteries POLL Did Law teleport Zoro while Zoro was engulfed in Hakai

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Law couldn't even click his fingers faster than zoro taking all his sword out and putting one in his mouth and jumping in front of hakai


Keep giving me no proof law moved anyone but his own ass tho

What do you mean "prove it", when the paneling from Oda speaks for itself. You guys are the ones going through mental gymnastics with your "Kidd and Killer dodged, and then met back up next to Law, who just so happened to shamble himself next to Zoro's body" argument. Like Law knew exactly where Zoro was going to end up, and so did Kid and Killer.

I'll even use your own argument that you've been using. So you mean to tell me, Law shambled himself next to Zoro, and then sat there in silence waiting for Kid and Killer to show up before asking Zoro if he was still alive?

 

[bennbeckman]

What do you mean "prove it", when the paneling from Oda speaks for itself. You guys are the ones going through mental gymnastics with your "Kidd and Killer dodged, and then met back up next to Law, who just so happened to shamble himself next to Zoro's body" argument. Like Law knew exactly where Zoro was going to end up, and so did Kid and Killer.

I'll even use your own argument that you've been using. So you mean to tell me, Law shambled himself next to Zoro, and then sat there in silence waiting for Kid and Killer to show up before asking Zoro if he was still alive?

@HA001 im having trouble finding the Pop, have you been able to find it yet

 

[Finalbeta]

Although Zoro was probably teleported judging from the pattern of his position, it's extensively improper to suggest he didn't take the explosion going by how fast they are usually processed and the notion Law asserted he took damage first of all which was obvious anyway, combined with the other point I highlighted about the barrier.

 

[Geo]

Nah, this is a made up assumption. Law did what he's expected to do, use the most basic of his techniques to take them out there, but the one who saved them was ultimately Zoro as he was the one who took the attack and was seriously damaged after it. Zoro did take the attack but only to stop it for a second, long enough for Law to get them out of there before being wiped out. Zoro couldn't survive that without him, at the end of the day.

This logic of "characters should have done what I believe they should have and therefore I'm right" is absurd. Noone there had to thank anybody, to begin with. And if someone thanked Zoro was because he risked his life, unlike Law.

How is it a made up assumption when it's literally what was said.
That excuse does not work. If Law had failed to move all of them, following your point, they would've been wiped out. So why wouldn't he get thanks for that even if it is the most basic of his abilities?
Kidd said Zoro blocked it for a second whiles Law said Zoro took the attack. Why didn't Law say it was a block? It is clear that those are two different things.

That's not the logic here, don't make up stuff. Zoro was thanked because he saved them.
If Law saved them he would've received a mention at the very least. That is very simple logic.
What is illogical is claiming that Law saved them and yet not having any proof, manga fact, support even an implication of such. It is not mentioned not indicated anywhere that Law moved all of them. It is just a made up assumption to cope with the obvious possibility that Zoro managed to survive an island busting attack

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It is quite ironic that the same people who focus on "Kidd said he blocked it for a second" blatantly ignore "Law said he took it". Picking and choosing parts of the manga and ignoring direct contradictions.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

@HA001 im having trouble finding the Pop, have you been able to find it yet

So Law didn't shamble himself either?

And pray tell, where exactly would you place the "pop" in this panel? I'm looking for a good pixel to represent everyone, but can't seem to find one.

 

[bennbeckman]

So Law didn't shamble himself either?

And pray tell, where exactly would you place the "pop" in this panel? I'm looking for a good pixel to represent everyone, but can't seem to find one.

Also proof > logic and assumption

You literally just proved my case, no pop=no teleportation is very evident.

I only care about Zoro, because that is what the thread is premised on

 

[Zenos7]

What is illogical is claiming that Law saved them and yet not having any proof, manga fact, support even an implication of such.

except for the panel with law doing the shamble hand gesture

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

You literally just proved my case, no pop=no teleportation is very evident.

I only care about Zoro, because that is what the thread is premised on

It doesn't prove your point, because the way the scene was paneled, and the scene following that massive blast indicates Law shambled everyone. There is no "Pop" because there is nowhere to put it in the scene that showcases the extent of Hakai's blast radius, which encompasses literally everything to the side of where the Supernovas where standing, to everything behind it. The only possible safe place for everyone to move to was on the other side of the blast, and the only possible way for everyone to make it there without getting hit by the attack itself is via teleportation.

 

[bennbeckman]

It doesn't prove your point, because the way the scene was paneled, and the scene following that massive blast indicates Law shambled everyone. There is no "Pop" because there is nowhere to put it in the scene that showcases the extent of Hakai's blast radius, which encompasses literally everything to the side of where the Supernovas where standing, to everything behind it. The only possible safe place for everyone to move to was on the other side of the blast, and the only possible way for everyone to make it there without getting hit by the attack itself is via teleportation.

actual it does since there's is no Pop. That's literally been the premise of my argument this whole time.

You can insert a pop anywhere before or during the attack, that didnt happen.

There is 0 proof to your assumption

 

[ZenZu]

Argument against being teleported:
-No one thanked Law
-Law said Zoro took the attack

Argument for being teleported:
-All end up neatly together despite all going in different directions
-How Zoro didn't get blasted away with the attack which flew off the island
-How they all took (what looks to be) zero damage with an attack that covers so much ground just from jumping to the left or right
-Why Law who can put the exact same amount of effort to save everyone, would let them potentially get hit by the attack for reasons no one knows.

The argument against relies too much on the semantics of what Law said, (or what wasn't said) vs the actual physical logic behind the situation. I find many more holes to cover if I choose against, vs Zoro getting teleported (which basically boils down to no one (or Zoro) thanking Law because his ability takes no effort, compared to Zoro who just put his entire body on the line to save them all, and what encompasses "taking" something in the english language).

The one time I need the anime to clear things up.

 

[Geo]

except for the panel with law doing the shamble hand gesture

Which doesn't mean he moved all of them right?
Even the panel structure suggests otherwise. It is showing each character trying to escape. Obviously Law's mode of escape is his Shambles.

Which then begs the question, if you are going to assume that the hand gesture means he moved all of them, then that would mean he fontributed in saving them....why was he given a mention, a statement or something supporting that?

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

actual it does since there's is no Pop. That's literally been the premise of my argument this whole time.

You can insert a pop anywhere before or during the attack, that didnt happen.

There is 0 proof to your assumption

And again, there is no pop for Law either, but you choose to not acknowledge that under the guise that you only care about Zoro.

But if there is no pop for Law who obviously used it on himself, then your "no pop" argument for Zoro is moot.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

There is indication
When law uses his power there is a pop and marks on panel
There is none meaning time has passed since his shambles
These signs sfx and marks are shown EVERY SINGLE TIME law used his power on the roof

There are no pop indication around Law himself. Yet ur implying he used shambles on himself. Ur talking backwards at this point. Laws mindset, hand gesture, an everyone appears moments later all imply Law shambles everyone.

And ? Is killer blind that he can't see luffy move from next to him to in front of him cause law moved them all didn't he lmfao

He lost track of him simple. Sounds a lot more reasonable then, him randomly dodging an island size attack.

You the only dumbass law didn't move shit but himself.

lls

if there is nothing else to confirm that, it would kinda be relevant.

chapter 789, law saves Violet with shambles no “pop” or any thanks involved. That’s just off the top of my head.

There’s a least 2 more I vaguely remember aswell.
-First being his Initial jump to ecaspe Fuji
-another being the time he sent a note to chopper on PH.
- Or him shambling Himself/art woman to the bridge in chapter 724

In short, “pop” not always shown. But ur condescending tone always appreciated....

 

[Monkey D Theories]

so as you guys believe, Oda loves zoro, right? He loves giving zoro awesome moments, right? You know what would have been a really amazing moment, if we got at least one panel of zoro surviving the full brunt of the attack. Perhaps even a panel of kaido and big mom in shock that an attack that could supposedly kill 4 supernova, some who are portrayed to be on zoro's level, didn't kill zoro or even send him flying.

I mean damn, for zoro to not even be sent flying by hakai would mean that he took the attack better than doffy did kong gun. Surely Oda wouldn't completely skip over this, and then imply both by Kid and big mom's words, paneling, and simple logic, that zoro was in fact teleported out by law.

 

[bennbeckman]

And again, there is no pop for Law either, but you choose to not acknowledge that under the guise that you only care about Zoro.

But if there is no pop for Law who obviously used it on himself, then your "no pop" argument for Zoro is moot.

The thread is for Zoro, which there is no pop, also Law could have easily moved as well as room still takes energy to use.

No pop = no teleportation

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@ShishioIsBack usually has the best input when it comes to Zoro and from his vote Zoro wasnt teleported by law either.

Shisio your full thoughts?

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

The thread is for Zoro, which there is no pop, also Law could have easily moved as well as room still takes energy to use.

No pop = no teleportation

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@ShishioIsBack usually has the best input when it comes to Zoro and from his vote Zoro wasnt teleported by law either.

Shisio your full thoughts?

There’s no “pop” in the GK scene to my knowledge. @ShishioIsBack usually has the most bias take. His input usually the opposite of what u should be following.

 

[bennbeckman]

There’s no “pop” in the GK scene to my knowledge. @ShishioIsBack usually has the most bias take. His input usually the opposite of what u should be following.

GK?

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

GK?

Attack used on doffy, gamma knife.... shambles was involved, can’t remember any “pop” indicates.

 

[bennbeckman]

Attack used on doffy, gamma knife.... shambles was involved, can’t remember any “pop” indicates.

Got to see, maybe Oda changed the indications of Law's room, but...

Im just looking at the evidence on the roof, multiple panels from 1001-1010 where the Pop was clearly used

 

[The White Crane]

He's talking about the attack Zoro took before Law tped him away.

Sorry, mate, I don't get what you mean by this post. Can you clarify? Thanks.