Pondering upon life and Death - BleakAsh

[BleakAsh]

Sometimes I ponder over the dualities of life, like how existence is so convenient but existing isn't.. or how similarly individuality is an asset to oneself but sustaining it is eyesore to others, the basic stuff, and generally we embody this duality as humans and it teaches us that nothing remains absolute.. or guaranteed , conveniences entail inconveniences.. just like existence is convenient.. peace too is convenient.. any good that exists is convenient but
like Madara Uchiha once said :
"Where there is light, There are shadows to be found as well"

you know whats profound about this duality is that the only thing that puts an end to it... is Death, death of anything that the duality applies to, in essence its an all-encompassing theme , which is the only phenomenon that is absolute and guaranteed , when you stop existing... the duality stops applying. death is indeed absolute and an end to existence

death is where we all become equal...but the superiority lies in what state or condition we die in
“Verily, deeds are only judged by their endings.” - Prophet (S. A. W)
this saying applies to life too unironically


But like me, if you believe in a greatest omnipotent being and believe in afterlife.. then death still remains immune to the duality...but it embodies only one of its aspects.. either conveniences of death blessing you with heaven or the inconvenience of death dooming you to hell.
it's either you attain light or you attain darkness.


Quote:
"Death takes away to purpose of this life.
God is what gives purpose to death.
if Death leads to an Abyss of non-existence then God is non-existence, since indeed every life should taste Death and so shall it return to its owner... call it non-existence... or call it God... death comes all the same.. ".
-BleakAsh

edit note
*a philosophical discussion not a scientific one yaall! even tho i delved into it a bit too much the topic was supposed to complement the philosophical aspect of the core subject *

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[Pantheos]

Even death is in itsel dual. The duality exist. Your death and body will be Food for animals, will feed plants and will guarantee life. Every death feeds other life.

 

[BleakAsh]

Even death is in itsel dual. The duality exist. Your death and body will be Food for animals, will feed plants and will guarantee life. Every death feeds other life.

"death" here means end.. whether that be universe..

anything the duality applies to

 

[Salah WG]

The real question is: "What have you prepared for it?"

 

[BleakAsh]

The real question is: "What have you prepared for it?"

you'll have more of these coming so kinda pointless asking what i have prepared these for..

just go with the flow my nibba

 

[Pantheos]

"death" here means end.. whether that be universe..

anything the duality applies to

But every end is also a start. There is definitive end in something. Even if you look at the universe, it expands and expands and at some point, it will collapse and „end“, but with that, it will just restart in form of a great bang.

 

[BleakAsh]

But every end is also a start. There is definitive end in something. Even if you look at the universe, it expands and expands and at some point, it will collapse and „end“, but with that, it will just restart in form of a great bang.

it will follow the same cycle until it reaches a point where it cannot fuse and goes redundant and dies

 

[Ballel]

Even death is in itsel dual. The duality exist. Your death and body will be Food for animals, will feed plants and will guarantee life. Every death feeds other life.

Beautifully said.

@BleakAsh I'm concerned what made you write such a thread.

 

[Seatonnes]

you know whats profound about this duality is that the only thing that puts an end to it... is Death, death of anything that the duality applies to, in essence its an all-encompassing , which is the only phenomenon that is absolute and guaranteed

Technically there is an immortal jellyfish and day by day humans get closer to the prospect of immortality so its is not 100% guaranteed, as well as people being cryogenic-ally frozen for the future, its almost a guarantee they will awake sometime in the future whether its a
millennia from now or very far off in the future

 

[Ballel]

Technically there is an immortal jellyfish and day by day humans get closer to the prospect of immortality so its is not 100% guaranteed, as well as people being cryogenic-ally frozen for the future, its almost a guarantee they will awake sometime in the future whether its a
millennia from now or very far off in the future

That's diagusting in my opinion.

I think there is no need to reach individual eternal life because life already is eternal. When the body dies it transforms into something new.

 

[BleakAsh]

Beautifully said.

@BleakAsh I'm concerned what made you write such a thread.

You know a little too much of nothing ig

and i don't get it..
who're you gonna feed when the earth dies after 5 billion years.. and the sun either turns into a Black hole or a flipin dawf.

all the hydrogen in the universe bonds to form helium
there is all but nothing left until the entropy of the universe hits absolute 0..
and the universe turns in to a cold dead barren spacial desert

will duality remain in such a state? .. how is your death gonna feed the dead.


evolution begets augmentation ... not perfection

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and the peak of argumentation leads to deterioration and end.. when there is nothing to sustain the augmentation

that is how the universe works

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Technically there is an immortal jellyfish and day by day humans get closer to the prospect of immortality so its is not 100% guaranteed, as well as people being cryogenic-ally frozen for the future, its almost a guarantee they will awake sometime in the future whether its a
millennia from now or very far off in the future

the world works because of evolution.. as long as evolution exists.. immortality would remain a delusion

everything that evolves into its peak state has to deteriorate due to lack of sustenance..
cells divide and the organisms meet their end.. that's a fact

humans can only achieve longevity with the benefit of the doubt.. but not immortality

that goes against how the universe governs

 

[Finalbeta]

I'm a materialist, it's probably due my scientific background. I don't pander souls and things like that, I pander atoms, but I also admit some philosophical questions are impossible to answer accurately. What if we were just brains in a vat controlled by some alien entity and we were played upon allowing us to experience qualia? What if infinity truly existed and so our existences were infinite and accounting for almost 0 at the same time? What if we were simulated?

Our future is likely already written down according to Einstein's theory of general relativity, and the initial conditions of the early universe set up what the universe looks like today, us included, at least according to what data and mathematics suggest.

Science will never be able to see through all the questions, like what's the ultimate reality of all.

 

[BleakAsh]

I'm a materialist, it's probably due my scientific background. I don't pander souls and things like that, I pander atoms, but I also admit some philosophical questions are impossible to answer accurately. What if we were just brains in a vat controlled by some alien entity and we were played upon allowing us to experience qualia? What if infinity truly existed and so our existences were infinite and accounting for almost 0 at the same time? What if we were simulated?

Our future is likely already written down according to Einstein's theory of general relativity, and the initial conditions of the early universe set up what the universe looks like today, us included, at least according to what data and mathematics suggest.

Science will never be able to see through all the questions, like what's the ultimate reality of all.

thats and interesting lane of thought

and Eienstine was a deist so no wonder why he dug into the concept of destiny

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@Finalbeta to your knowledge! is universe self sustaining or will end eventually?

 

[Ballel]

and i don't get it..
who're you gonna feed when the earth dies after 5 billion years.. and the sun either turns into a Black hole or a flipin dawf.

There are tiny lifeforms floating around in outer space that can survive under extreme conditions, until they find a more hospitable place to live(like earth for example)
There will always be life but maybe no so called 'intelligent lifeforms'

 

[Seatonnes]

the world works because of evolution.. as long as evolution exists.. immortality would remain a delusion

everything that evolves into its peak state has to deteriorate due to lack of sustenance..
cells divide and the organisms meet their end.. that's a fact

humans can only achieve longevity with the benefit of the doubt.. but not immortality

that goes against how the universe governs

Yes humans are still evolving, humans are very young and I am almost certain humans will be the only animal to avoid extinction
humans are nowhere near there peak
they can 100% reach immortality

 

[Finalbeta]

thats and interesting lane of thought

and Eienstine was a deist so no wonder why he dug into the concept of destiny

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@Finalbeta to your knowledge! is universe self sustaining or will end eventually?

No wonder Einstein couldn't get close to answer the question of ultimate reality and why is there something rather than nothing.

As for the Universe there are different theories to what will happen, but most indicate there will be an end to this one but perhaps a new Big Bang will occur. But Multiverse theory suggests that our Universe is just one bubble in a bubble bath of Universes and it's not actually an isolated system either. According to the first law of thermodynamics the Universe is actually an isolated system and the energy of the Universe doesn't get destroyed, it mutates and entropy increases towards more disorder, but we don't know if it's truly isolated. Universes can eventually actually interact according to some theories, through blackholes and ripples in space and time maybe when enough energy is channeled, much highter than the Large Hadron Collider's for smashing particles. If that was the case an entity might be able to leave a Universe for a hotter Universe.

 

[BleakAsh]

There are tiny lifeforms floating around in outer space that can survive under extreme conditions, until they find a more hospitable place to live(like earth for example)
There will always be life but maybe no so called 'intelligent lifeforms'

they require sustenance from a place that require sustenance... its not an endless chain of sustainable entities coz thats impossible.. every thing in this universe is dependant..

this can't last forever once the source extinguishes

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No wonder Einstein couldn't get close to answer the question of ultimate reality and why is there something rather than nothing.

As for the Universe there are different theories to what will happen, but most indicate there will be an end to this one but perhaps a new Big Bang will occur. But Multiverse theory suggests that our Universe is just one bubble in a bubble bath of Universes and it's not actually an isolated system either. According to the first law of thermodynamics the Universe is actually an isolated system and the energy of the Universe doesn't get destroyed, it mutates and entropy increases towards more disorder, but we don't know if it's truly isolated. Universes can eventually actually interact according to some theories, through blackholes and ripples in space and time maybe when enough energy is channeled, much highter than the Large Hadron Collider's for smashing particles. If that was the case an entity might be able to leave a Universe for a hotter Universe.

Perhaps Einstein should have tried finding answers elsewhere besides the void in space 😂😂🤣... i actually wanted the discussion to be more philosophical but UGH guess everyone has their opinion on reality and existence

so i wanna reel back from a highly skeptical discussion on the reality of the universe and how it functions which has a no conclusive point in the horizon as of now... to a more mental discussion and conceptual one than a materialistic one

so when it comes ideals and human philosophy and let's assume existence here means consciousness until death.. how do look at it now after reading my thread?

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.. i actually wanted the discussion to be more philosophical but UGH guess everyone has their opinion on reality and existence

so i wanna reel back from a highly skeptical discussion on the reality of the universe and how it functions which has a no conclusive point in the horizon as of now... to a more mental discussion and conceptual one than a materialistic one

so when it comes ideals and human philosophy and let's assume existence here means consciousness until death.. how do look at it now after reading my thread?

@solis @SeaTonnes

now?

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@Pantheos

 

[Zolo]

If life is eternal you will be given eternal happines or eternal pain.

 

[BleakAsh]

If life is eternal you will be given eternal happines or eternal pain.

after death you mean... aka afterlife?

 

[comrade]

I have a rather naturalistic world view, I don't believe in the supernatural, but like to entertain that thought. After Death, we are probably gone, at least our consciousness. Though I like the idea of panpsychism, that the fundamental particles themselves possess something like a proto-consciousness, or something you would call spiritual, which, in its gathering, forms our consciousness. And upon death, we become part of a more collective universal consciousness. Dunno though.

As for eternal life, I'd take it. Don't understand the people that would not like to. I mean, we can potentially evolve endlessly, ending up colonizing the galaxy and explore new worlds. I doubt you would ever get bored. Just take the last 5000 years. Do you think the people living 5000 years ago would've gotten bored seeing how the world is transforming to the highly technological world we have today? We all like to read history. But with an eternal life, you would experience all of the remaining history. And in case you want to die anyways, you can still give yourself a headshot, right? (Doubt that most of the people who claim they don't want an eternal life, would actually do it once having it).