Versus Battle Post Rose Meruem vs Charlotte Katakuri
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That is only relevant if the laser has the same penetration niveau. I see only how it fly against the rock, what happens next? Did the rock explode, or break the laser trough the rock like a hot knife trough butter? Because a penetration feat is far more impressive then a laser that only explode against a stone.
The laser in One Piece are melting iron and stone by contact, the magma from Akainu even melt steel, without direct contact.
We also shouldn´t forget the point that most attacks that Whitebeard has tanked happend, when he was off guard. If someone is off guard, his durability isn´t on the same level as before, for example Naruto when he get pierced by a sword.
And before you came with Squardo. A 210.000.000 Berry guy. Someone like Zoro, before he get a bounty on that level and cut Iron Man Daz Bones. Where are the fodder characters? Also where melt the laser of Meruem steel?
The laser in One Piece are melting iron and stone by contact, the magma from Akainu even melt steel, without direct contact.
We also shouldn´t forget the point that most attacks that Whitebeard has tanked happend, when he was off guard. If someone is off guard, his durability isn´t on the same level as before, for example Naruto when he get pierced by a sword.
And before you came with Squardo. A 210.000.000 Berry guy. Someone like Zoro, before he get a bounty on that level and cut Iron Man Daz Bones. Where are the fodder characters? Also where melt the laser of Meruem steel?
The heat of lazer isnt weak. Feitan who is lvls below of Mereum can generate heat that can melt steel and Feitan himself deems that heat lvl is weak. Why you ask ?
Here we have Feitan attacking Zazan with his sword. And her hard skin breaks the sword.
So we can see her skin is as hard as steel. Then Feitan uses his ability and burns her to death.
So we can see her skin is as hard as steel. Then Feitan uses his ability and burns her to death.
Now you could say Rising Sun is hotter than the lazer. But you have fucking Feitan calling weak lmao. Like im sorry, but that lazer isnt less hotter rising sun
So if a person who has steel lvl durability is chalked by heat that is apparently "weak" to a guy several lvls below. Mereum's lazer is defintely hot enough to burn steel. Melting steel maybe impressive in OP but not HxH
Now swing that hammer and that needle. Lets see which one does more damage. Mereum's lazer beam being that beam aids in covering WB's entire body. The lethality of it coming from the heat would disintergrate him. I never thought of the sharpness of the lazer penetrating him. Its always been the heat and power it shoots out.
Yes lets compare Katakuri to people who havent shown any of their movesets. Like yall would acc have a point if Katakuri didnt go all out. But he literally did and all he could accomplish was that small hole.
Now tell me....where is his island lvl DC ? Where is his mountain lvl dc ?
Im literally only saying the truth but ok.
Now tell me....where is his island lvl DC ? Where is his mountain lvl dc ?
Im literally only saying the truth but ok.
First of all, before I start bringing up arguments towards you: I apologize for my behavior yesterday. I quite lost my temper and shouldn't have been that aggressive; even if you still do not understand anything, this was still no legit reason to provoke you like that.
And now, I can start answering your arguments:
It is not the question whether characters are featless or not, it is about the question whether characters are still on that certain level although they have not shown the same amount of destruction.
You literally ignore all previous feats, statements AND scaling to think Katakuri is only building level. Like you reset everything on zero and then you start measuring Katakuri's feats.
That's not how it works. Oda wrote +800 previous chapters of different arcs, different feats, different statements and different scaling (although Oda kinda sucks at it but this does not matter on crossover battles) before he started writing Katakuri's entire moveset.
You literally ignore the fact that Katakuri matched and injured a mode of Luffy which 1) is at the top of high tiers in terms of AP (scaling to Prime Chinjao), 2) can rattle the hardening elbow of one of the physical strongest top tiers on a direct powerstruggle; hence said top tier even performed worse than said mode although she is a physical beast.
Katakuri went toe to toe against Snake Man and dealt equal blows on him - Snake Man, despite being physically weaker, is still on the same ballpark like Chinjao. As I said, AP is the energy required for DC and although Snake Man unleashes his energy differently, he is still on the same level.
Even against Bound Man, Katakuri managed to deflect its Kong Gun with his Power Mochi. Although deflecting does not equalize equal strength towards an attack, it is an indication of pure and a matching power.
Proven by Zoro against Oars.
Proven by Sanji against Oars.
Did Kaido destroy SOMETHING?! He just melted the peak of a mountain - that's an Elephant Gun feat. So Kaido's offensive strength is only G3 level? And he one shot Luffy with an attack which did not even destroy a single surrounding building? So Kaido's club attack is not even building level?
I hope you understand the flaws into your argument.
And to explain the aforementioned points furthermore:
As I said, Katakuri scales to Prime Chinjao AND he has shown feats to match and injure Luffy's most powerful mode with his own feats. That's a proof of his small island, nah, let's say large mountain level AP.
Since I evaluated OP scaling above, let's use your question on other verses.
We have Hit (Dragon Ball Super) matching SSJB Goku who is universe+ level. Did Hit even show mountain level feats to suggest he is a planet buster? How comes people put him on par with universal busters?
What's about Jiren? Did he destroy something as well? No, hence he is also called wall level durability Jiren. Meruem beats him with his hill level beam, right?!
Apart from Dragon Ball, there is still more:
We have Majora in Zelda. People believed he was only moon level for warping and moving the moon towards the Earth but read this:
Majora is said transforming and tainting everything in Termina, a parallel universe (the references are: The Legend of Zelda Encyclopedia and The Legend of Zelda Hyrule Historia):
He was spreading over and influencing the heavens, space and time (reference: The Legend Of Zelda Majora's Mask Nintendo Power Official Strategy Guide):
Majora, when transforming into his final form, created and sustained an alternative reality, which was collapsed when he was defeated.
Let's sum this up: Majora did not show any kind of feats for destroying an universe but he IS proven to be universe level because of the aforementioned statements AND feats. The Zelda lore is arguably the most important part to determinate AP feats because its statements often add much more on simple game feats which weren't executed properly due to its limited game mechanics.
What's about Link now? Did he do something like that as well when fighting Majora? No, BUT he is on a comparable level because he still matched and defeated Majora with his own power, surpassing his powers with his Fierce Deity Mask.
There are so many other instances of verses portraying their attack potency on similar ways without that usual "Why didn't he destroy this and that then, huh?!" argument which was at least debunked for the millionth time.
No, you are not saying the truth.
You persistently try to highball the fuck outta the HxH verse whilst you massively downplay the OP high tiers on "building" level, reducing their speed feats on "speed of sonic", which was surpassed by the earliest EB and Grandline feats.
And that's just unbelievable.
OBD and VSBattles Wiki have its own flaws but also its own strength, for example its tiering system - and I'd rather use their tiering system, a thousand more times, instead of your flawed method which arguably does not work at all; not in HxH vs OP, let alone other verses.
You have here people admitting their bias towards HxH; whilst they are disregarding every kind of speed feat in OP, they accept everything from HxH because it's "real", that's cherrypicking at its finest.
And now, I can start answering your arguments:
It is not the question whether characters are featless or not, it is about the question whether characters are still on that certain level although they have not shown the same amount of destruction.
You literally ignore all previous feats, statements AND scaling to think Katakuri is only building level. Like you reset everything on zero and then you start measuring Katakuri's feats.
That's not how it works. Oda wrote +800 previous chapters of different arcs, different feats, different statements and different scaling (although Oda kinda sucks at it but this does not matter on crossover battles) before he started writing Katakuri's entire moveset.
You literally ignore the fact that Katakuri matched and injured a mode of Luffy which 1) is at the top of high tiers in terms of AP (scaling to Prime Chinjao), 2) can rattle the hardening elbow of one of the physical strongest top tiers on a direct powerstruggle; hence said top tier even performed worse than said mode although she is a physical beast.
Katakuri went toe to toe against Snake Man and dealt equal blows on him - Snake Man, despite being physically weaker, is still on the same ballpark like Chinjao. As I said, AP is the energy required for DC and although Snake Man unleashes his energy differently, he is still on the same level.
Even against Bound Man, Katakuri managed to deflect its Kong Gun with his Power Mochi. Although deflecting does not equalize equal strength towards an attack, it is an indication of pure and a matching power.
Proven by Zoro against Oars.
Proven by Sanji against Oars.
Did Kaido destroy SOMETHING?! He just melted the peak of a mountain - that's an Elephant Gun feat. So Kaido's offensive strength is only G3 level? And he one shot Luffy with an attack which did not even destroy a single surrounding building? So Kaido's club attack is not even building level?
I hope you understand the flaws into your argument.
And to explain the aforementioned points furthermore:
As I said, Katakuri scales to Prime Chinjao AND he has shown feats to match and injure Luffy's most powerful mode with his own feats. That's a proof of his small island, nah, let's say large mountain level AP.
Since I evaluated OP scaling above, let's use your question on other verses.
We have Hit (Dragon Ball Super) matching SSJB Goku who is universe+ level. Did Hit even show mountain level feats to suggest he is a planet buster? How comes people put him on par with universal busters?
What's about Jiren? Did he destroy something as well? No, hence he is also called wall level durability Jiren. Meruem beats him with his hill level beam, right?!
Apart from Dragon Ball, there is still more:
We have Majora in Zelda. People believed he was only moon level for warping and moving the moon towards the Earth but read this:
Majora is said transforming and tainting everything in Termina, a parallel universe (the references are: The Legend of Zelda Encyclopedia and The Legend of Zelda Hyrule Historia):
He was spreading over and influencing the heavens, space and time (reference: The Legend Of Zelda Majora's Mask Nintendo Power Official Strategy Guide):
Majora, when transforming into his final form, created and sustained an alternative reality, which was collapsed when he was defeated.
Let's sum this up: Majora did not show any kind of feats for destroying an universe but he IS proven to be universe level because of the aforementioned statements AND feats. The Zelda lore is arguably the most important part to determinate AP feats because its statements often add much more on simple game feats which weren't executed properly due to its limited game mechanics.
What's about Link now? Did he do something like that as well when fighting Majora? No, BUT he is on a comparable level because he still matched and defeated Majora with his own power, surpassing his powers with his Fierce Deity Mask.
There are so many other instances of verses portraying their attack potency on similar ways without that usual "Why didn't he destroy this and that then, huh?!" argument which was at least debunked for the millionth time.
No, you are not saying the truth.
You persistently try to highball the fuck outta the HxH verse whilst you massively downplay the OP high tiers on "building" level, reducing their speed feats on "speed of sonic", which was surpassed by the earliest EB and Grandline feats.
And that's just unbelievable.
OBD and VSBattles Wiki have its own flaws but also its own strength, for example its tiering system - and I'd rather use their tiering system, a thousand more times, instead of your flawed method which arguably does not work at all; not in HxH vs OP, let alone other verses.
You have here people admitting their bias towards HxH; whilst they are disregarding every kind of speed feat in OP, they accept everything from HxH because it's "real", that's cherrypicking at its finest.
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The gap between Large Mountainlevel and Smallisland level is just minusscale.
Its more or less the same as it is just 10 4,6 times stronger.Sounds big but the gap between 1 Gigatons and 10 4,6 Gigatons is not much.
A bigger different would be between 10 and 100 46 GT´s,even though that's only x4,6 as well, the difference is bigger
Edit: Little mistake by me,Small Islandlevel ends with 4,6 Gigatons and thats where legit Islandlevel starts
Its more or less the same as it is just 10 4,6 times stronger.Sounds big but the gap between 1 Gigatons and 10 4,6 Gigatons is not much.
A bigger different would be between 10 and 100 46 GT´s,even though that's only x4,6 as well, the difference is bigger
Edit: Little mistake by me,Small Islandlevel ends with 4,6 Gigatons and thats where legit Islandlevel starts
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You know it is ok to admit if you are a complete novice when it comes to this corner of power scaling, save us the headache and go familiarize yourself with wikis like VSbattles or OBD. Continuing to drown in your ignorance is an embarrassing site. We assume you have some level of common sense but statements like these show us that you’re arriving here half dressed:
If you don’t think Katakuri is Mountain lvl in AP, then you are basically suggesting he’s weaker than base Zoro on that end. You’re the first dude who’d laugh at such a suggestion yet here we are lmao.
Attack Potency Definition:
From VS Battles wiki (please read all of this Chrono 
)
An alternative term for Destructive Capacity which has more direct meaning: The Destructive Capacity that an attack is equivalent to. A character with a certain degree of attack potency does not necessarily need to cause destructive feats on that level, but can cause damage to characters that can withstand such forces.
We are aware that this technically violates the principle of conservation of energy, as it should logically disperse upon impact, but fiction generally tends to ignore this fact, so we overlook it as well.
Also, kindly remember that Attack Potency is the measure of Destructive Capacity of an attack, and as such, is measured via its energy damage equivalent. Hence, characters that destroy mountains or islands are not automatically mountain or island level, especially if they are small. The attack potency depends on the energy output of a single attack, not the area of effect of the attack.
) An alternative term for Destructive Capacity which has more direct meaning: The Destructive Capacity that an attack is equivalent to. A character with a certain degree of attack potency does not necessarily need to cause destructive feats on that level, but can cause damage to characters that can withstand such forces.
We are aware that this technically violates the principle of conservation of energy, as it should logically disperse upon impact, but fiction generally tends to ignore this fact, so we overlook it as well.
Also, kindly remember that Attack Potency is the measure of Destructive Capacity of an attack, and as such, is measured via its energy damage equivalent. Hence, characters that destroy mountains or islands are not automatically mountain or island level, especially if they are small. The attack potency depends on the energy output of a single attack, not the area of effect of the attack.
Base Zoro showcased the DC to be able to cut a Mountain Sized Pica:
It is downright silly to assume Katakuri doesn’t scale off a feat like this just because he hasn’t shown the DC. If you think Kata doesn’t scale off of this, you’re basically positing that Luffy and Katakuri cannot produce attacks on the same level as base Zoro.
If you can’t comprehend this much, you’re pretty much chosing to remain disingenuous and are just wanking HxH for the sake of it
If it destroy something harder then a rock, i could agree. Are there more feats of the laser attacks?
And someone like Akainu can melt steel with his passive aura, like he did on Marineford.
And where did you get the conclusion that the laser is equal in terms of heat to the Rising Sun ability? You showed how it destroyed a rock. Did it destroy or burned someome that was more durable?
Steel in One Piece is already irrelevant if it comes to the durability of Top Tiers. The reason why i brought up the comparison to show you, why Kizaru his laser and as an example even magma from Akainu is more effective.
The laser has to destroy or melt something harder then a rock to be usefull enough, unless we can scale a HxH with a better Durability who was still harmed by the laser.
That´s not my point. You implied the laser would turn WB to a skeletton, which is only possible if the attack can overcome the durability of OP Top Tiers. A laser isn´t automatically strong like a laser in other fiction (Imagine the size of the laser from Kizaru would overcome WB, he whould burn him away, but since his bigger lasers are lacking on even pierce trough a tree...). We have to look on the pro and contra.
Also the hammer will never pierce trough your body, while a needle which is long enough could easy do that.
And someone like Akainu can melt steel with his passive aura, like he did on Marineford.
Here we have Feitan attacking Zazan with his sword. And her hard skin breaks the sword.
So we can see her skin is as hard as steel. Then Feitan uses his ability and burns her to death.
Hard as steel<harder then steel. A fodder pacifista is harder then steel and still clapped by Luffy, Zoro and Sanji after timeskip. Whitebeard was far superior to all 3.
The extremly durability that OP characters are getting, begins already before timeskip. The Tekkai from Rob Lucci already was already superior to iron . Kuma his Durability was already around steel level etc. Later you have people like Doflamingo who can tank attacks, which can oneshot a Pacifisita, and later then people who are even superior then Doflamingo on that level. That is how the durability scaling works.
The extremly durability that OP characters are getting, begins already before timeskip. The Tekkai from Rob Lucci already was already superior to iron . Kuma his Durability was already around steel level etc. Later you have people like Doflamingo who can tank attacks, which can oneshot a Pacifisita, and later then people who are even superior then Doflamingo on that level. That is how the durability scaling works.
Now you could say Rising Sun is hotter than the lazer. But you have fucking Feitan calling weak lmao. Like im sorry, but that lazer isnt less hotter rising sun
Steel in One Piece is already irrelevant if it comes to the durability of Top Tiers. The reason why i brought up the comparison to show you, why Kizaru his laser and as an example even magma from Akainu is more effective.
The laser has to destroy or melt something harder then a rock to be usefull enough, unless we can scale a HxH with a better Durability who was still harmed by the laser.
That´s not my point. You implied the laser would turn WB to a skeletton, which is only possible if the attack can overcome the durability of OP Top Tiers. A laser isn´t automatically strong like a laser in other fiction (Imagine the size of the laser from Kizaru would overcome WB, he whould burn him away, but since his bigger lasers are lacking on even pierce trough a tree...). We have to look on the pro and contra.
Also the hammer will never pierce trough your body, while a needle which is long enough could easy do that.
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You know it is ok to admit if you are a complete novice when it comes to this corner of power scaling, save us the headache and go familiarize yourself with wikis like VSbattles or OBD. Continuing to drown in your ignorance is an embarrassing site. We assume you have some level of common sense but statements like these show us that you’re arriving here half dressed:
If you don’t think Katakuri is Mountain lvl in AP, then you are basically suggesting he’s weaker than base Zoro on that end. You’re the first dude who’d laugh at such a suggestion yet here we are lmao.
Attack Potency Definition:
From VS Battles wiki (please read all of this Chrono )
An alternative term for Destructive Capacity which has more direct meaning: The Destructive Capacity that an attack is equivalent to. A character with a certain degree of attack potency does not necessarily need to cause destructive feats on that level, but can cause damage to characters that can withstand such forces.
We are aware that this technically violates the principle of conservation of energy, as it should logically disperse upon impact, but fiction generally tends to ignore this fact, so we overlook it as well.
Also, kindly remember that Attack Potency is the measure of Destructive Capacity of an attack, and as such, is measured via its energy damage equivalent. Hence, characters that destroy mountains or islands are not automatically mountain or island level, especially if they are small. The attack potency depends on the energy output of a single attack, not the area of effect of the attack.
) An alternative term for Destructive Capacity which has more direct meaning: The Destructive Capacity that an attack is equivalent to. A character with a certain degree of attack potency does not necessarily need to cause destructive feats on that level, but can cause damage to characters that can withstand such forces.
We are aware that this technically violates the principle of conservation of energy, as it should logically disperse upon impact, but fiction generally tends to ignore this fact, so we overlook it as well.
Also, kindly remember that Attack Potency is the measure of Destructive Capacity of an attack, and as such, is measured via its energy damage equivalent. Hence, characters that destroy mountains or islands are not automatically mountain or island level, especially if they are small. The attack potency depends on the energy output of a single attack, not the area of effect of the attack.
Base Zoro showcased the DC to be able to cut a Mountain Sized Pica:
It is downright silly to assume Katakuri doesn’t scale off a feat like this just because he hasn’t shown the DC. If you think Kata doesn’t scale off of this, you’re basically positing that Luffy and Katakuri cannot produce attacks on the same level as base Zoro.
If you can’t comprehend this much, you’re pretty much chosing to remain disingenuous and are just wanking HxH for the sake of it
Chrono is faulty because he thinks Katakuri doesn’t scale to anyone at all, essentially making him building level.
You know it is ok to admit if you are a complete novice when it comes to this corner of power scaling, save us the headache and go familiarize yourself with wikis like VSbattles or OBD. Continuing to drown in your ignorance is an embarrassing site. We assume you have some level of common sense but statements like these show us that you’re arriving here half dressed:
If you don’t think Katakuri is Mountain lvl in AP, then you are basically suggesting he’s weaker than base Zoro on that end. You’re the first dude who’d laugh at such a suggestion yet here we are lmao.
Attack Potency Definition:
From VS Battles wiki (please read all of this Chrono )
An alternative term for Destructive Capacity which has more direct meaning: The Destructive Capacity that an attack is equivalent to. A character with a certain degree of attack potency does not necessarily need to cause destructive feats on that level, but can cause damage to characters that can withstand such forces.
We are aware that this technically violates the principle of conservation of energy, as it should logically disperse upon impact, but fiction generally tends to ignore this fact, so we overlook it as well.
Also, kindly remember that Attack Potency is the measure of Destructive Capacity of an attack, and as such, is measured via its energy damage equivalent. Hence, characters that destroy mountains or islands are not automatically mountain or island level, especially if they are small. The attack potency depends on the energy output of a single attack, not the area of effect of the attack.
) An alternative term for Destructive Capacity which has more direct meaning: The Destructive Capacity that an attack is equivalent to. A character with a certain degree of attack potency does not necessarily need to cause destructive feats on that level, but can cause damage to characters that can withstand such forces.
We are aware that this technically violates the principle of conservation of energy, as it should logically disperse upon impact, but fiction generally tends to ignore this fact, so we overlook it as well.
Also, kindly remember that Attack Potency is the measure of Destructive Capacity of an attack, and as such, is measured via its energy damage equivalent. Hence, characters that destroy mountains or islands are not automatically mountain or island level, especially if they are small. The attack potency depends on the energy output of a single attack, not the area of effect of the attack.
Base Zoro showcased the DC to be able to cut a Mountain Sized Pica:
It is downright silly to assume Katakuri doesn’t scale off a feat like this just because he hasn’t shown the DC. If you think Kata doesn’t scale off of this, you’re basically positing that Luffy and Katakuri cannot produce attacks on the same level as base Zoro.
If you can’t comprehend this much, you’re pretty much chosing to remain disingenuous and are just wanking HxH for the sake of it
Secondly I dont see whats wrong with Zoro being stronger than Katakuri. Katakuri is YC1, cause hes untouchable and he has massive fricking trident that will kill you. Just cause hed beat him in a fight doesnt mean hes stronger than him.
Thirdly you forgot to addresd this point...
"A character with a certain degree of attack potency does not necessarily need to cause destructive feats on that level, but can cause damage to characters that can withstand such forces."
When has Luffy ever withstood or taken an attack that has Mountain lvl DC ? Ignoring the Katakuri fight....since yall cant prove Katakuri has mountain lvl DC. Luffy has fought Cracker and Doffy which are more lethal than destructive. Luffy has never withstood such a force or taken it...so Katakuri fails to fit this category of Mountain lvl by just injuring Luffy.
Once again: You literally ignore the fact that Katakuri matched and injured a mode of Luffy which 1) is at the top of high tiers in terms of AP (scaling to Prime Chinjao), 2) can rattle the hardening elbow of one of the physical strongest top tiers on a direct powerstruggle; hence said top tier even performed worse than said mode although she is a physical beast.
Katakuri went toe to toe against Snake Man and dealt equal blows on him - Snake Man, despite being physically weaker, is still on the same ballpark like Chinjao. As I said, AP is the energy required for DC and although Snake Man unleashes his energy differently, he is still on the same level.
Even against Bound Man, Katakuri managed to deflect its Kong Gun with his Power Mochi. Although deflecting does not equalize equal strength towards an attack, it is an indication of pure and a matching power.
Proven by Zoro against Oars.
Proven by Sanji against Oars.
Did Kaido destroy SOMETHING?! He just melted the peak of a mountain - that's an Elephant Gun feat. So Kaido's offensive strength is only G3 level? And he one shot Luffy with an attack which did not even destroy a single surrounding building? So Kaido's club attack is not even building level?
I hope you understand the flaws into your argument.
Katakuri went toe to toe against Snake Man and dealt equal blows on him - Snake Man, despite being physically weaker, is still on the same ballpark like Chinjao. As I said, AP is the energy required for DC and although Snake Man unleashes his energy differently, he is still on the same level.
Even against Bound Man, Katakuri managed to deflect its Kong Gun with his Power Mochi. Although deflecting does not equalize equal strength towards an attack, it is an indication of pure and a matching power.
Proven by Zoro against Oars.
Proven by Sanji against Oars.
Did Kaido destroy SOMETHING?! He just melted the peak of a mountain - that's an Elephant Gun feat. So Kaido's offensive strength is only G3 level? And he one shot Luffy with an attack which did not even destroy a single surrounding building? So Kaido's club attack is not even building level?
I hope you understand the flaws into your argument.