Character Discussion Post-TS Luffy has been a fake underdog

[sanjikun]

I severely dislike Drizzt since he's a toxic asshat who whines about everything Oda does, but I agreed with him on one point.. Luffy being a fake "underdog".

Oda has gone out his way to dehype Luffy before major villains, making him look ridiculous but logic dictates that apart from Kaido at the start, he really wasn't that much of an underdog. Doffy, Cracker, Katakuri, Luffy could easily put up a tough fight where the end result was just a matter of circumstance, i.e. how Oda arranged the sequence of events.

Even against Kaido... Literally all he had to do was learn "Ryou" to be Yonko level. ACoA/ACoC all came naturally since Hyo mentioned Luffy could ALEADY do ACoA unconsciously. There no was real training for those advanced forms. Luffy just had to "know" about them.

And now... this is the worst offender. Fucking JoyBoy Luffy, who Kaido, the WSM, predicted would beat/kill him, has the lowest Yonko bounty because Luffy/Kid/Law were all given equal contribution.

Forget the fact that this is nonsense since we know Luffy did a disproportionate amount of work, but even Zoro/Sanji are clearly being deflated, since they won 1 v. 1 against 1.39 billion and 1.32 billion opponents, but bounties are still lower. ACoC Luffy was already Yonko level. He was a sky splitter. Now add JOYBOY on top of that. But Oda wants to "dehype" Luffy with these shitty bounties, to maintain his fake underdog persona.

It seems Oda really doesn't know to write Luffy as a favourite/equal rival. He always has to be an underdog.

 

[Welkin]

I dunno I’ve never really felt that

To me Luffy has never really been an underdog… like at all

Even with Luffy only getting 3 billion that’s still what? 800 million more than Blackbeard before his recent bounty reveal?

I’ve never felt like he does that on purpose but maybe that’s just me

 

[Sentry22]

Wrong on everything. Luffy did train a great deal. In fact he trained the most out of everyone in Wano and his victory over Kaido didn't come easily. He had a great number of difficulties against Doffy, Cracker and Katakuri. In almost every single situation he was assisted by someone and every single fight pushed him to his limits forcing him to get stronger.


Also you do realize how close to the end of the series we are right? There's a point in time where the main character stops being considered an Underdog.

Luffy's always had the potential to be insanely powerful given his family is infamous in the story of One Piece. His father is the World's Most Wanted Man and his grandfather is the greatest Marine to ever live. It's obvious what Luffy would become from the start of the series.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

imo Oda does a poor job potraying some things. Like Luffys punches not having enough weight behind them against freakin Doflamingo, his armament not being hard enough against Katakuri and stuff like that. If makes him look weak when it shouldnt be

 

[sanjikun]

Wrong on everything. Luffy did train a great deal. In fact he trained the most out of everyone in Wano and his victory over Kaido didn't come easily. He had a great number of difficulties against Doffy, Cracker and Katakuri. In almost every single situation he was assisted by someone and every single fight pushed him to his limits forcing him to get stronger.


Also you do realize how close to the end of the series we are right? There's a point in time where the main character stops being considered an Underdog.

Luffy's always had the potential to be insanely powerful given his family is infamous in the story of One Piece. His father is the World's Most Wanted Man and his grandfather is the greatest Marine to ever live. It's obvious what Luffy would become from the start of the series.

Did you read anything I wrote?

 

[Ogai]

Luffy tanked advCoC Kaido except Thunder Bagua and Ragnarok. Has Snakeman which scales way above Kaido in speed.

WCI Luffy has top tier durability and speed. His opponents there are just on different level

 

[NAMELESS]

I severely dislike Drizzt since he's a toxic asshat who whines about everything Oda does, but I agreed with him on one point.. Luffy being a fake "underdog".

Oda has gone out his way to dehype Luffy before major villains, making him look ridiculous but logic dictates that apart from Kaido at the start, he really wasn't that much of an underdog. Doffy, Cracker, Katakuri, Luffy could easily put up a tough fight where the end result was just a matter of circumstance, i.e. how Oda arranged the sequence of events.

Even against Kaido... Literally all he had to do was learn "Ryou" to be Yonko level. ACoA/ACoC all came naturally since Hyo mentioned Luffy could ALEADY do ACoA unconsciously. There no was real training for those advanced forms. Luffy just had to "know" about them.

And now... this is the worst offender. Fucking JoyBoy Luffy, who Kaido, the WSM, predicted would beat/kill him, has the lowest Yonko bounty because Luffy/Kid/Law were all given equal contribution.

Forget the fact that this is nonsense since we know Luffy did a disproportionate amount of work, but even Zoro/Sanji are clearly being deflated, since they won 1 v. 1 against 1.39 billion and 1.32 billion opponents, but bounties are still lower. ACoC Luffy was already Yonko level. He was a sky splitter. Now add JOYBOY on top of that. But Oda wants to "dehype" Luffy with these shitty bounties, to maintain his fake underdog persona.

It seems Oda really doesn't know to write Luffy as a favourite/equal rival. He always has to be an underdog.

This actually makes sense,WG doesn't want Luffy to make a mess in the pirate world like Roger did.If they hype him too much,pirates will go crazy everywhere and this is bad for the celestial dragons.

 

[Udell]

I kept on saying Oda control outcomes for story and hype. Luffy losing 50 times was to end the story a certain way and to continually hype Kaido. One Piece isn't like Naruto where we get to the point when it comes to 1 v 1, this of course results in inaccurate assessments of characters power level and ultimately disappointment.

Doffy didn't stand a chance against Luffy. Yet Oda stalled the fight. Luffy should have had him knocked before G4 even ran out that was stupid.

Oda rinse and repeat the same formula every arc even when it comes to fights and the fanbase still has the audacity to get mad and overhype villains, use your brains people. Even Ceasar was knocking Luffy out. The series is a joke when it comes to fights that Luffy is involved in. A YC1 will probably give Luffy a hard time next arc.

 

[Seth]

I severely dislike Drizzt since he's a toxic asshat who whines about everything Oda does, but I agreed with him on one point.. Luffy being a fake "underdog".

Oda has gone out his way to dehype Luffy before major villains, making him look ridiculous but logic dictates that apart from Kaido at the start, he really wasn't that much of an underdog. Doffy, Cracker, Katakuri, Luffy could easily put up a tough fight where the end result was just a matter of circumstance, i.e. how Oda arranged the sequence of events.

Even against Kaido... Literally all he had to do was learn "Ryou" to be Yonko level. ACoA/ACoC all came naturally since Hyo mentioned Luffy could ALEADY do ACoA unconsciously. There no was real training for those advanced forms. Luffy just had to "know" about them.

And now... this is the worst offender. Fucking JoyBoy Luffy, who Kaido, the WSM, predicted would beat/kill him, has the lowest Yonko bounty because Luffy/Kid/Law were all given equal contribution.

Forget the fact that this is nonsense since we know Luffy did a disproportionate amount of work, but even Zoro/Sanji are clearly being deflated, since they won 1 v. 1 against 1.39 billion and 1.32 billion opponents, but bounties are still lower. ACoC Luffy was already Yonko level. He was a sky splitter. Now add JOYBOY on top of that. But Oda wants to "dehype" Luffy with these shitty bounties, to maintain his fake underdog persona.

It seems Oda really doesn't know to write Luffy as a favourite/equal rival. He always has to be an underdog.

Nika shit is one of the worst things Oda pulled for Luffy especially after saying such bullshit as "You have to craft the power of your MC carefully".

Oda: Hahaha fuck that, he is not a Rubber man he is a Nika who has heartbeat revive and he survived all of the shit pre-ts because he is actually a Top of the Top Zoan fruit user.

Like what the fuck man.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Yeah, the curren luffy is a little stronger than Dressrossa Luffy; hence, Doffy is the second strongest Warloard. We get it.

 

[XXKR]

- Against Alvida, wasn't an underdog
- Against Morgans, wasn't an underdog
- Against Kried, wasn't an underdog
- Against Arlong, wasn't an underdog
- Against Kuro, wasn't an underdog
- Against Wapol, wasn't an underdog
- Against Enel, wasn't an underdog
- Against Buggy, wasn't an underdog
- Against Cesar, wasn't an underdog.

Against Crocodile - was an underdog (not really, since the only issue he had was being able to get past the Logia intangibility)
Against Moriah - was an underdog
Against Lucci - was an underdog
Against Magellan - was an underdog
Against Doffy - was an underdog
Against Kaido - Objectively was an underdog


On the contrary, Luffy's "underdog" theme doesn't start taking place until really Lucci appears. Where as before that the fights simply had created circumstances where Luffy wasn't weaker than the opponent, but simply needed to figure things out because of never facing an opponent like that before, and in some cases, it was simply due to hax ability of an opponent (ie, Crocodile). But all 3 of the Big Arcs for Post-TS, Dressrosa/WCI/Wano, luffy has objectively been an underdog. Which is a lot better than pre-TS, where in majority of the arcs he was never the underdog.

 

[RYNO]

since they won 1 v. 1 against 1.39 billion and 1.32 billion opponents, but bounties are still lower. ACoC Luffy was already Yonko level. He was a sky splitter. Now add JOYBOY on top of that. But Oda wants to "dehype" Luffy with these shitty bounties, to maintain his fake underdog persona.

OR bounties aren't all about strength , this has stated before you guys keep ignoring it.

 

[uyuu]

I severely dislike Drizzt since he's a toxic asshat who whines about everything Oda does, but I agreed with him on one point.. Luffy being a fake "underdog".

Oda has gone out his way to dehype Luffy before major villains, making him look ridiculous but logic dictates that apart from Kaido at the start, he really wasn't that much of an underdog. Doffy, Cracker, Katakuri, Luffy could easily put up a tough fight where the end result was just a matter of circumstance, i.e. how Oda arranged the sequence of events.

Even against Kaido... Literally all he had to do was learn "Ryou" to be Yonko level. ACoA/ACoC all came naturally since Hyo mentioned Luffy could ALEADY do ACoA unconsciously. There no was real training for those advanced forms. Luffy just had to "know" about them.

And now... this is the worst offender. Fucking JoyBoy Luffy, who Kaido, the WSM, predicted would beat/kill him, has the lowest Yonko bounty because Luffy/Kid/Law were all given equal contribution.

Forget the fact that this is nonsense since we know Luffy did a disproportionate amount of work, but even Zoro/Sanji are clearly being deflated, since they won 1 v. 1 against 1.39 billion and 1.32 billion opponents, but bounties are still lower. ACoC Luffy was already Yonko level. He was a sky splitter. Now add JOYBOY on top of that. But Oda wants to "dehype" Luffy with these shitty bounties, to maintain his fake underdog persona.

It seems Oda really doesn't know to write Luffy as a favourite/equal rival. He always has to be an underdog.

Yea agree on your big picture. Tbh Luffy vs BB vs Shanks with all 3 on equal standing will be so amazing tho, but maybe for Oda it doesnt even cross his mind lol.

 

[nik87]

Now add JOYBOY on top of that.

You do know that Joyboy made him worse? A lot worse.
But due to funny af beats he finally managed to make it into top tier which he failed to do with aCoC, just like Yamato which performed even better than him against Kaido and for a longer time.
Luffy is that bad that he is always an underdog and he will remain like that.

 

[Hereforthesalt]

Luffy has never been an underdog character

 

[WesMidnight]

They get stronger each island.
Haki blooms on the battlefield.

Luffy wasn't an underdog until Crocodile in the series.
Luffy wasn't an underdog in post TS against Hody- Cracker, just sloppy in certain aspects.
He was a genuine underdog against Katakuri (until FS) and Kaidou (until learning adv CoC)

But yes the bounty is fake dehyping, obviously, he beat Kaidou 1vs1 and surpassed him in straight up durability, hax and strength, despite going into the fight completely drained from stamina and nearly dead.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I don't think so.

 

[sanjikun]

OR bounties aren't all about strength , this has stated before you guys keep ignoring it.

Bounties are hypetools for strong people. That's kind of the point. Oda wants to curb the hype of Luffy.

They get stronger each island.
Haki blooms on the battlefield.

Luffy wasn't an underdog until Crocodile in the series.
Luffy wasn't an underdog in post TS against Hody- Cracker, just sloppy in certain aspects.
He was a genuine underdog against Katakuri (until FS) and Kaidou (until learning adv CoC)

But yes the bounty is fake dehyping, obviously, he beat Kaidou 1vs1 and surpassed him in straight up durability, hax and strength, despite going into the fight completely drained from stamina and nearly dead.

He wasn't an underdog anywhere except the start of the battle with Kaido. Katakuri acknowledged Luffy as an equal when 2 hours prior he looked like a complete fodder.

 

[Killer#777]

Luffy was never the underdog.

 

[MonsterKaido]

--Depends on the extent of it. G4 Luffy no time limit is power house no doubt. He can defeat doffy with it and give a good fight to cracker and assuming he had snakeman from the start also same can be said against Kata. He was a underdog against Kaido but got 3-4 powerups at ridiculous rate so it became meh anyways