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I don't know if you guys are serious or trolling with these questions, but this last question is especially important
The answer is:
Adam and Jesus are paralleled
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Romans 5:17-18
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
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Because Adam sinned, death reigned and if you are not saved then you are condemned, since you got that nature and your evil deeds condemn you.
But also
Because Jesus was perfect, if you receive his free gift, you get eternal life
Adam is unfairly bad
Jesus is unfarily good
Also, Jesus Christ took your sin, means, you switch places
Jesus is treated as if he did what you did
And you are treated as if you lived like he did
He gets your slate and he is punished as if he did the sins you did
And you get his slate and you get to go to heaven as if you lived like he did
The answer is:
Adam and Jesus are paralleled
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Romans 5:12-21
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 5:17-18
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
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Because Adam sinned, death reigned and if you are not saved then you are condemned, since you got that nature and your evil deeds condemn you.
But also
Because Jesus was perfect, if you receive his free gift, you get eternal life
Adam is unfairly bad
Jesus is unfarily good
Also, Jesus Christ took your sin, means, you switch places
Jesus is treated as if he did what you did
And you are treated as if you lived like he did
He gets your slate and he is punished as if he did the sins you did
And you get his slate and you get to go to heaven as if you lived like he did
I'm being serious @Blax Blah
Have you seen this lake of fire in hell?
Have you seen this lake of fire in hell?
Also, before Jesus Christ took on humanity's sins, yeah humans were not in heaven
Before that, saved humans were in a place named Abraham's bossom, which was a good place, located somewhere next to hell, and there was a big gap between hell and Abraham's bossom
The New Testament talks about it
After Jesus was crucified, he set free the people from Abraham's bossom and they could now go to heaven because they didn't have any sin on them anymore, since he took their sin
No, but the lake of fire is not hell
Hell and death are cast into the lake of fire at the white throne judgement
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Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Before that, saved humans were in a place named Abraham's bossom, which was a good place, located somewhere next to hell, and there was a big gap between hell and Abraham's bossom
The New Testament talks about it
After Jesus was crucified, he set free the people from Abraham's bossom and they could now go to heaven because they didn't have any sin on them anymore, since he took their sin
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No, but the lake of fire is not hell
Hell and death are cast into the lake of fire at the white throne judgement
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Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Luke 16:19-31
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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Ephesians 4:8-10
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
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These are the verses about Abraham's bossom ^
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Btw Jesus is the God that lead captivity captive so any questions on christianity's view of slavery are self evident
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There was hell and then there was that place where Abraham was, hell is still there and the place Abraham was could just be empty or something now I don't know
I don't know much doctrine about it so I can't say such specifics but I can tell you that much
Everyone uses fallacies, you like me. It's not a competition. The key is to understand what is ethical, what is true, and what is none of that. Not who makes the most or least fallacies. As that is the realm of those who just learned about critical thinking. And you have no lessons to give in that domain, trust me.
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i mean all of that didnt answer my question. . . so people stop being themselves in heaven?
that is incredibly cruel of god, ngl
obviously everyone uses fallacies, but you use them very regularly, without the capability of reflecting upon them.
its not about who makes the most, but if you constantly use them, there is a clear issue with your critical thinking ability since its not rooted in logic.
And well, if you are not willing to listen due to your biases, i cant help you ;D
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that is incredibly cruel of god, ngl
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obviously everyone uses fallacies, but you use them very regularly, without the capability of reflecting upon them.
its not about who makes the most, but if you constantly use them, there is a clear issue with your critical thinking ability since its not rooted in logic.
And well, if you are not willing to listen due to your biases, i cant help you ;D
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