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I must have missed the rule when it was stated that haki can only be imbued to attacks which have the nature to cut things. Afaik, swordsmen can choose to cut or not to cut.
Also, Coby used a large haki shockwave to destroy Pizzalo's island sized arm, so there's another evidence. 😆
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Smoker legit transformed his entire arm to smoke lol
Then the barrier would just directly hit the head.
Both made no contact. That's the point.
That was not just a statement of the editor. It was also mentioned in that magazine which confirmed Luffy's punch sent shockwaves which travelled a 1000 miles.
Also, Coby used a large haki shockwave to destroy Pizzalo's island sized arm, so there's another evidence. 😆
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Smoker legit transformed his entire arm to smoke lol
Then the barrier would just directly hit the head.
Both made no contact. That's the point.
That was not just a statement of the editor. It was also mentioned in that magazine which confirmed Luffy's punch sent shockwaves which travelled a 1000 miles.
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Show me no sword style cutting then. I'll wait.
Only non canon scene we have of it and zori cut no one there.
Jesus Christ that's simply haki. No shockwave.
AdCoA , Emission. What ryou is.
And his hands were still not changed into smoke.
It was not Smoke + Haki but rather Hand + Haki.
Tell me does luffy touch the stone here?
And luffy used Haki How many times do I need to tell you that.
But Kaidou final attack had no sign of being Hakified.
Why couldn't he punch my blud.
Even Bigmam and Kidd can punch. Yet they most the time refuse to use haki.
Only non canon scene we have of it and zori cut no one there.
Jesus Christ that's simply haki. No shockwave.
AdCoA , Emission. What ryou is.
And his hands were still not changed into smoke.
It was not Smoke + Haki but rather Hand + Haki.
Tell me does luffy touch the stone here?
And luffy used Haki How many times do I need to tell you that.
But Kaidou final attack had no sign of being Hakified.
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Why couldn't he punch my blud.
Even Bigmam and Kidd can punch. Yet they most the time refuse to use haki.
I'm not following you.
It's you who claimed haki can only be used to slashes. Burden of proof lies on you.
Wdym "that's simply haki"?
We've seen Garp throwing huge shockwaves which are imbued with barrier haki. From what we've seen in Wano, the ryuo users are emitting a barrier-like force which can be used for defence or offensively. Rayleigh and Luffy used it a few times and they merely unleashed their haki on foreign objects and destroyed them from the inside.
Now look at that:
Coby was basically copying Garp's shockwave techniques when he destroyed the entire arm:
There is clearly a difference in displayment when it comes to Luffy using ACoA and both Garp and Coby throwing complete shockwaves.
Haki is a spiritual force and it can be technically imbued into everything. There's no limit.
And ACoC is just Ryuo whose source isn't CoA but CoC.
Bruh, you already drop the excuses at the speed of light lol.
Bro is turning his entire arm but his fist into smoke...
I guess Kuzan just randomly switched his fist back before turning it to ice when he used hardening:
You need to pay more attention to what I said.
If both Kaido and Luffy do the "no-touch" haki thing, it means both use an exterior force which collided upon contact and sent out a massive shockwave.
It's you who claimed haki can only be used to slashes. Burden of proof lies on you.
Wdym "that's simply haki"?
We've seen Garp throwing huge shockwaves which are imbued with barrier haki. From what we've seen in Wano, the ryuo users are emitting a barrier-like force which can be used for defence or offensively. Rayleigh and Luffy used it a few times and they merely unleashed their haki on foreign objects and destroyed them from the inside.
Now look at that:
Coby was basically copying Garp's shockwave techniques when he destroyed the entire arm:
There is clearly a difference in displayment when it comes to Luffy using ACoA and both Garp and Coby throwing complete shockwaves.
Haki is a spiritual force and it can be technically imbued into everything. There's no limit.
And ACoC is just Ryuo whose source isn't CoA but CoC.
Bruh, you already drop the excuses at the speed of light lol.
Bro is turning his entire arm but his fist into smoke...
I guess Kuzan just randomly switched his fist back before turning it to ice when he used hardening:
You need to pay more attention to what I said.
If both Kaido and Luffy do the "no-touch" haki thing, it means both use an exterior force which collided upon contact and sent out a massive shockwave.
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I'm not following you.
It's you who claimed haki can only be used to slashes. Burden of proof lies on you.
Wdym "that's simply haki"?
We've seen Garp throwing huge shockwaves which are imbued with barrier haki. From what we've seen in Wano, the ryuo users are emitting a barrier-like force which can be used for defence or offensively. Rayleigh and Luffy used it a few times and they merely unleashed their haki on foreign objects and destroyed them from the inside.
Now look at that:
Coby was basically copying Garp's shockwave techniques when he destroyed the entire arm:
There is clearly a difference in displayment when it comes to Luffy using ACoA and both Garp and Coby throwing complete shockwaves.
Haki is a spiritual force and it can be technically imbued into everything. There's no limit.
And ACoC is just Ryuo whose source isn't CoA but CoC.
Bruh, you already drop the excuses at the speed of light lol.
Bro is turning his entire arm but his fist into smoke...
I guess Kuzan just randomly switched his fist back before turning it to ice when he used hardening:
You need to pay more attention to what I said.
If both Kaido and Luffy do the "no-touch" haki thing, it means both use an exterior force which collided upon contact and sent out a massive shockwave.
It's you who claimed haki can only be used to slashes. Burden of proof lies on you.
Wdym "that's simply haki"?
We've seen Garp throwing huge shockwaves which are imbued with barrier haki. From what we've seen in Wano, the ryuo users are emitting a barrier-like force which can be used for defence or offensively. Rayleigh and Luffy used it a few times and they merely unleashed their haki on foreign objects and destroyed them from the inside.
Now look at that:
Coby was basically copying Garp's shockwave techniques when he destroyed the entire arm:
There is clearly a difference in displayment when it comes to Luffy using ACoA and both Garp and Coby throwing complete shockwaves.
Haki is a spiritual force and it can be technically imbued into everything. There's no limit.
And ACoC is just Ryuo whose source isn't CoA but CoC.
Bruh, you already drop the excuses at the speed of light lol.
Bro is turning his entire arm but his fist into smoke...
I guess Kuzan just randomly switched his fist back before turning it to ice when he used hardening:
You need to pay more attention to what I said.
If both Kaido and Luffy do the "no-touch" haki thing, it means both use an exterior force which collided upon contact and sent out a massive shockwave.
I'll answer you one by one. As far as I understood your arguments.
- First , Zoro Air slashes being Hakified
- Second , Smoker Condition
- Third , Aokiji and Garp
- Fouth , Garp and Coby.
First,
Second , and Third , I'll answer them both Simultaneously.
Smoker Condition.
Gaseous, Plasma , Energy form of Logia cannot be coated in Haki like , Semi-Liquid / Solid types of Logia.
Armanent haki is like a shield to the body , Can be used defensively or Offensively.
It can be either your body or Or your weapon.
But you need something " Solid to Coat in Haki with ".
Aokiji is Solid , Ice is solid. It can be coated in Haki but Plasma Form like Kizaru , can never make Light Haki punches. Because You cannot coat Something in haki Which isn't Solid or Atleast Semi Solid like Mochi or Magma.
smoker Situation ,
As you can see above.
If Smoker Hakified Hands were smoke , It wouldn't be in one place to begin with , Logia type with properties of Gas or Plasma , don't have a Physical body like Solid/Liquid type of Logia types.
Smoker hand were Haki is visible is His partial transformation where rest of the body is tangible and Smoke where as , Hands were Haki is used Is not Tangible or Smoke , If some one hit them , not with a stronger haki , let'ssay Fishmen Island example where Hordy without Haki penetrated Luffy arnament haki.
if he bites Hakified hands of Smoker. Smoker will get hurt when Hordy isn't even Using haki.
understand now?
nobody is Coating Gaseous or Plasma into Haki.
only solid and semi solids are the only thing which has been coated in Haki.
Gaseous, Plasma , Energy form of Logia cannot be coated in Haki like , Semi-Liquid / Solid types of Logia.
Armanent haki is like a shield to the body , Can be used defensively or Offensively.
It can be either your body or Or your weapon.
But you need something " Solid to Coat in Haki with ".
Aokiji is Solid , Ice is solid. It can be coated in Haki but Plasma Form like Kizaru , can never make Light Haki punches. Because You cannot coat Something in haki Which isn't Solid or Atleast Semi Solid like Mochi or Magma.
smoker Situation ,
If Smoker Hakified Hands were smoke , It wouldn't be in one place to begin with , Logia type with properties of Gas or Plasma , don't have a Physical body like Solid/Liquid type of Logia types.
Smoker hand were Haki is visible is His partial transformation where rest of the body is tangible and Smoke where as , Hands were Haki is used Is not Tangible or Smoke , If some one hit them , not with a stronger haki , let'ssay Fishmen Island example where Hordy without Haki penetrated Luffy arnament haki.
if he bites Hakified hands of Smoker. Smoker will get hurt when Hordy isn't even Using haki.
understand now?
nobody is Coating Gaseous or Plasma into Haki.
only solid and semi solids are the only thing which has been coated in Haki.
Why are even Discussing this to begin with.
My whole argument was How is Kaidou Blazing Dragon is Haki?
It's completely DF focussed attack.
Kaidou Blazing Bagua form , first isn't a Physical Form. Kaidou takes in all the Flame cloud and Coat himself with Flame clouds.
And increase the temperature. Which is why Momo had to Take on charge with Moving Onighishima after that.
neither Flame Cloud or Fire , is Solid or even Semi Solid. It cannot be Coated in Haki.
AdCoC whenever used shows us Haki trails like this.
It's luffy Single Handedly Creating AdCoC lightening.
Where as Kaidou isn't Producing any form of lightening.
Over here , Only Luffy is using Barrier Haki and Ryou to protect itself from heat and Kaidou is chewing down from a distance. They do not touch.
Consider above hand as Bajrang Gun and Block of stone as Kaidou.
Do they both touch ? No.
Only hand is producing Haki , not the stone.
kaidou Covers himself in very hot flames , Flames are gaseous in Nature and Cannot be Used as Coated with Haki as It has no Physical Form to be coated in haki to begin with.
- Zori completely Substitute Ryou with Air slash whenever he wants to send a Hakified slash.
- Garp and Coby uses Only Ryou and AdCoC in case of Garp. They flow their Haki to make it look like canon. They are not Coating anything beside their hands with Haki. There's is no air or shockwave which is being Hakified here.
Kaidou Attacks is not at all Hakified. Literally no Visual Factors proves Kaidou used Haki there.
It's completely DF focussed attack.
Kaidou Blazing Bagua form , first isn't a Physical Form. Kaidou takes in all the Flame cloud and Coat himself with Flame clouds.
And increase the temperature. Which is why Momo had to Take on charge with Moving Onighishima after that.
neither Flame Cloud or Fire , is Solid or even Semi Solid. It cannot be Coated in Haki.
AdCoC whenever used shows us Haki trails like this.
Where as Kaidou isn't Producing any form of lightening.
Do they both touch ? No.
Only hand is producing Haki , not the stone.
kaidou Covers himself in very hot flames , Flames are gaseous in Nature and Cannot be Used as Coated with Haki as It has no Physical Form to be coated in haki to begin with.
- Zori completely Substitute Ryou with Air slash whenever he wants to send a Hakified slash.
- Garp and Coby uses Only Ryou and AdCoC in case of Garp. They flow their Haki to make it look like canon. They are not Coating anything beside their hands with Haki. There's is no air or shockwave which is being Hakified here.
Kaidou Attacks is not at all Hakified. Literally no Visual Factors proves Kaidou used Haki there.
That's one and THE example of Zoro hakifying his air slashes.
As you see, Zoro didn't even have to use hardening on his swords to cut Monet from afar.
Also, nice paragraphs but you didn't really say that much, seriously. Zoro neither used some huge Ryuo based move on Monet, nor was it even a named attack. It was just a random ass air slashes which was coated with CoA. Air slashes will have Haki if Zoro unleashes his Ryuo into them. He can drop normal air slashes but it doesn't mean air slashes cannot become hakified.
Nevertheless, nice effort for your analysis.
1.) I didn't ask for proof whether Zoro cuts or not with his no sword style
2.) I asked you for evidence regarding your assertion that Zoro needs to cut in order to implement his slashes with Ryuo.
Evidence?
Air is gaseous and yet, Ryuo can be implemented into these - proof is Zoro, Garp or Coby.
Mhm, I don't recall such a thing being mentioned in One Piece lol.
But go ahead:
Um, no?
Smoker perfectly can aim where he hardens his body in the first place. That's hardening. Invisible CoA completely coats the body anyway but it's mostly too weak to block an attack 100%.
Also, Haki is 100% flexible and adaptive; that's why Luffy's body was both rubbery yet steel hard when Doflamingo tried to cut him with Athlete.
Katakuri's mochi was still sticky and slimy despite him adding hardening on it.
Proof: Zangiri Mochi.
Another proof: At the tea party when Katakuri entrapped Luffy with his G3 hardened leg and Luffy was unable to get outta it.
Water is not solid yet it'd behave like bedrock if you fell from approximately 20km into the ocean. Your body would still be completely ruptured despite water not being solid.
No, that's just wrong, sorry lol.
Hody would still just bite smoke (and most likely still would lose his teeth since it's hard and not solid at the same time) yet would get hurt if Smoker decided to punch him with his hardened fist. I know it's complicated but that's how Haki basically operates.
Wdym "which on impact makes shockwaves"? Garp wasn't even touching the ground. He dropped a huge ass shockwave unleashing huge black lightning strikes and wiped out an entire city block.
Again, Luffy used ID Haki several times yet he never created massive shockwaves like that.
I'm not following you again.
Like, is Zoro bending space by unleashing his Ryuo and his slash doesn't even have to travel a distance and it instantly cuts the enemy by contact?
You say, Zoro's slash is 100% Ryuo but Ryuo itself doesn't just cut, it needs to adapt to a specific property - the nature of a very cutting, high pressured air.
Again, it's a flying slash and it is mostly powered by Ryuo. It's air and Haki at the same time. Zoro's just dropping huge air pressure - which cuts the enemy - with his strength and swordsmanship. It's not that serious.
Once again, Kaido's blazing bagua itself cannot produce the effect to have a "no-touch" clash with Luffy's Bajrang Gun.
It is not nearly enough and Luffy's ACoCed island sized punch would just straight punch through this massive chunk of a fire dragon since it's no solid.
The force of a throwing island sized punch is far more superior than an island sized fireball, just by sheer mass.
Also, no lightning traits do not mean much considering they still appeared when Kaido and Luffy clashed at the end.
You said "It could also be a pure CoC clash without ACoC" whilst missing the point that even basic CoC emission still emits huge black lightning traits.
Evidence Nr.1: Doflamingo and Luffy clashing.
Evidence Nr.2: Katakuri's and Luffy's CoC colliding and damaging the environment in result.
Basic CoC outburst can't be offensively or defensively used. That's why one must omit Ryuo with CoC as the powersource to make it either offensive or defensive.
Kaido would have no way to defend himself properly from an ACoC island sized punch if he wasn't coating his own attack with ACoC at least.