Powers & Abilities Power Ups

[Geo]

This thread is to discuss what counts as a power up in one piece verse and what the one piece community think a power up is.

The questions are ..Does power gained through training considered a power up?
Does power gained without the need for training considered a power up?
Is there a need to distinguish between the 2?

In my view , throughout the manga, several characters have been given increases in power. Some were through training and others through rewards.
An ability someone gains through training should not be termed a power up because it isn't something which was just rewarded and is not an ability anyone can achieve. A quick example is Luffy training to improve his haki. Several people have claimed this to be a power up but in what context? It is not like he was handed the ability.
This should be distinguished from abilities which does not require training from the character to utilize. A quick example is Nami gaining Zues. Zues undoubtedly increases her power exponentially. She however did not train to gain and use Zeus. She was able to gain that boost the moment she got her hands on Zeus and used the ability immediately.


Leave your thoughts.

 

[nik87]

Several people have claimed this to be a power up but in what context? It is not like he was handed the ability.

Regardless, he powered up. He is able to do something that he wasnt able to.

Zoro learning to cut fire is a power-up against an opponent who uses fire, it is of no use against those who dont use fire so against them, it cannot be called power-up.
Haki during TS is something I barely consider a power-up, it did power them up but it is so basic and common in NW that it barely matters.
Raid Suit, durability buff aside, is invisibility a power-up? It is something he couldnt do before but does it make him stronger?

 

[Finalbeta]

A power up means an inflation/augmentation of someone's power level independently from the reasons it was caused by.

G4 is a power up (training)
Enma ain't a power up since it's the same rank as Shusui
But Zoro's training he will undergo soon is a power up
Getting an actual better sword would also count as power up

So to make it straight both the ways are fitting of being considered power ups

 

[Albino 👑]

Luffy

• Awakening
• Advanced coc
• Shifting through g4 forms or 1 most optional one that combines them
• Other g4 forms

Zoro

• New swords
• Blackening his swords
• Mastering his swords
• Using his swords to cut more things
• More ashura like form with more sword
• Advanced coa
• Coc

Sanji

• Fuck the rs
• Mastering rokushiki
• Advanced coa
• Hardening
• Okama way

 

[L o g i a]

A powerup is any significant increase in power that isn't the passive development of strength we take for granted with every arc. So yes, the Raid Suit still counts I'm afraid.

 

[ZoroIsOverrated]

Luffy

• Awakening
• Advanced coc
• Shifting through g4 forms or 1 most optional one that combines them
• Other g4 forms

Zoro

• New swords
• Blackening his swords
• Mastering his swords
• Using his swords to cut more things
• More ashura like form with more sword
• Advanced coa
• Coc

Sanji

• Fuck the rs
• Mastering rokushiki
• Advanced coa
• Hardening
• Okama way

Fuck the RS indeed. Sanji mastering rokushiki would be so much cooler than this power ranger shit

 

[HA001]

Fuck the RS indeed. Sanji mastering rokushiki would be so much cooler than this power ranger shit

Why? He looks cool af.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

PU anything that makes you stronger
Whether handed or trained
Anything that boost your stats is a PU

So stop mental gymnastics please

 

[ZoroIsOverrated]

Why? He looks cool af.

It takes away from his Gentleman aesthetic, I’d rather see him kick ass in a black suit than in some power ranger outfit with clown shoes lol. My only hope is for Franky and Usopp to change it lol

 

[HA001]

It takes away from his Gentleman aesthetic, I’d rather see him kick ass in a black suit than in some power ranger outfit with clown shoes lol. My only hope is for Franky and Usopp to change it lol

I dont like the red parts the anime gave it. There is a fan art where its black anf gold it looked much better.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

the raid suit still needs to be mastered. In a world in which every strong character has CoO, invisibility isn't THAT great of a power up tbh.
Sanji needs to learn to hide his presence from CoO or otherwise find a way to bypass CoO.

while the raid suit does give him an unearned power boost. Sanji will ultimately need to gain new skills in order to fully master the abilities of the raid suit if he is to take on characters like the calamities

 

[Finalbeta]

RS might be mastered by it's still just a suit

Sanji gotta start boosting his haki etc :cheers:

 

[Geo]

Bumping this up after recent chapter.
@ImmaIvanoM

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Bumping this up after recent chapter.

@ImmaIvanoM

Hmmm, I guess I can bring back some of my reasoning here. I'll repost my main ideas here first



It seems there's a discrepancy between the terms "power up" and "new techniques" and "training". Here's how I see them defined in practice.



Zoro always creates "NEW TECHNIQUES". In Alabasta, he created Shishi sonson to cut Daz. But he also received a "POWER UP" by unlocking the breath of all things to cut steel. Then in Skypiea he was "TRAINING" his breath of all things "POWER UP" to use it better and he did by using it with a "NEW TECHNIQUE" called 108 pound canon to Cut Steel with the breath of all things but now using an air slash.



A "POWER UP" is an immediate shift in base stats like Zoro moves from random fodder swords to Sandai kitetsu and Yubashiri which increase his durability and AP due to their quality. Same with Breath of all things, Zoro moved from not being able to cut steel to cutting steel immediately so that's "POWER UP". Stuff like unlocking a new set of power like unlocking haki is a "POWER UP". Even a new mode is a "POWER UP" like 9 sword Asura mode



"TRAINING" is actually mastering those base stats to improve them. Zoro trains to get used to Yubashiri being light and Sandai Kitetsu cutting shit he doesn't want to cut. Zoro is now "TRAINING" to tame Enma which will improve on the haki he already has.



Notice Enma and Shusui are the same grade of sword so this is no longer an immediate increase in Base stats so it's NOT a "POWER UP"



"NEW TECHNIQUES" are new Configurations of existing powers and stats. Zoro is already able to cut Steel since Alabasta and create gusts of air since Arlong Park so he reconfigures the two powers to cut Steel with air slashes to create a "NEW TECHNIQUE" called 108 pound canon.



Therefore The ability to cut fire, if it's not something based on reconfiguring Zoro’s existing base stats like a "NEW TECHNIQUE" and is not an extension of an existing power through "TRAINING" means that all that's left is that cutting fire is a "POWER UP"

Luffy training to improve his haki.

Luffy training to improve his haki isn't a power up but the first time he unlocked Haki as a power type should be considered a power up. This extends to advanced applications of haki too. They are essentially doing things sepera from the base stats and powers of normal haki. Advanced COA allows Luffy to by pass durability and thats a completely new ability he didn't have before so that's A power up whether he trained for it.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

A power up means an inflation/augmentation of someone's power level independently from the reasons it was caused by.

G4 is a power up (training)
Enma ain't a power up since it's the same rank as Shusui
But Zoro's training he will undergo soon is a power up
Getting an actual better sword would also count as power up

So to make it straight both the ways are fitting of being considered power ups

enma is the same rank as Shusui but it has shown to have a higher AP

 

[Geo]

enma is the same rank as Shusui but it has shown to have a higher AP

It is Zoro's own AP not the sword's

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

it has shown to have a higher AP

But it uses up his haki at equivalent rates.

This is different from Zoro for example moving from Sandai Kitetsu to Nidai kitetsu. Nidai is essentially sharper than sandai and increases Zoro's AP just from being a sharper sword. Zoro on the other hand would have to train with Nidai to use it properly and sharp Zoro would become a better swordsman by just from learning to use a better sword.

This is what Enma does. It forces Zoro to become a better swordsman to use it and thats it. The increased AP isn't a good thing since its still costs increased haki yet Zoro could've cut that cliff side without Enma if he wanted to and the problem is that Enma made him do it when he didn't want to.

Enma forcing Zoro to do this isn't a power up since its equivalent exchange and Zoro could've performed this equivalent exchange if he wanted to already. The main point of the training is to force Zoro to get stronger from preventing this from happening

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enma is the same rank as Shusui but it has shown to have a higher AP

The one way I see Enma becoming a power up in and of itself is if Zoro allows the sword to drain him completely to exhaustion in order to use some kind of All or nothing finisher.

In this way the sword is providing an abilty that Zoro didn't have which was completely draining himself of haki.

But the problem is that this isn't good swordsmanship. Good swordsmen aren't supposed to use wanton destruction out of desperation as we saw Oden didn't need such a tactic to Beat Kaido. That's why Zoro isn't training to use such an ability.

Then again I can't say Oda wouldn't do this to show that Zoro isn't a good enough swordsman yet so in a way it can be a plot device to show Zoro sacrificing good swordsmanship for AP and it will fail of course since that's cheating. Again, this wouldn't even more considered aftual power up since Zoro would've failed and regressed as a swordsman

 

[Aknolagon]

A power up is when you become stronger.

For example, enma is not really a power up. it's just more savage because it cut more than you ask. But the skill and haki depend from the user. Zoro stated he will become stronger because he will have more control in his haki and skill. But all of that is coming from his hardwork and training like always actually.
It could have been a PU if zoro was not training with enma after that but he did so... and the last chapter proved that even the other sword cut kaido. So oda could have give zoro ame no tsubakiri who is probably more easier to master it.

A power up is for me something coming from nowhere like nami and Zeus, zoro cutting steel vs mr. 1 or surviving after thriller bark so he pushed his endurance limits, Luffy getting his FS and sanji with his RS because all of that didn't come from training. Unlocking something in brief moment or without do anything.

At the end when you are stronger so that's a PU just there is instant PU and long process PU who could come from training.
The SH got a PU from the TS for example but it requiered 2 years.

 

[Robin swan]

I always took PU as a character getting stronger than they were before gain whatever ability. So yea gaining abilities regardless of it it was training (haki), gained with no training(asura or df) or gifted ( new swords or rs) they make the character stronger. Idk why people try to make sub categories on what can count as a PU. Anything that makes the character stronger than what they were is a power up.

 

[Finalbeta]

I always took PU as a character getting stronger than they were before gain whatever ability. So yea gaining abilities regardless of it it was training (haki), gained with no training(asura or df) or gifted ( new swords or rs) they make the character stronger. Idk why people try to make sub categories on what can count as a PU. Anything that makes the character stronger than what they were is a power up.

Yep it can either occur due enough training or a special one or an acquisition of a new DF or training it or even a zenkai boost.