Powers & Abilities Pre-Wano Luffy CoA vs Zoro CoA

[Marimo_420]

I did my major in Electronics Engineering and Computer Science along with a minor in Physics. Of course I know how air resistance works my friend. What you are forgetting, however, is that he also gained a initial force with the throw of Orlumbus. Since the net force was in the direction of throw at the beginning, Zoro was speeding up. However, since air resistance increased with increase of speed, his acceleration got reduced in positive direction and his speed increased with less slope. It is a basic negative feedback mechanism really. At final point, he had a speed different than zero, hence, his movement can be represented with average acceleration and mass.

But at his final position in the air, does air resistance cease to exsist?

He still has to exert enough force against it and swing his arms to be able to complete the move.

Well then you’d need to calculate how much of a nerf swinging against all that pressure actually is
I’d argue not much based on his feat of casually throwing a flying slash powerful enough to push an admiral back while under enough gravity to cause internal bleeding aswell as his jaw muscle keeping hold of his third sword despite the wind pressure. Once you get to a certain level of strength; small handicaps like wind pressure and gravity don’t hold you back as much as flying as Mach speeds propels you forward... if that makes sense..

He was struggling to even speak with the air pressure and you can see the strain on his face even in his final position. It's still a nerf.

It either evens out, or it's a nerf.

 

[chacharealsmooth]

But at his final position in the air, does air resistance cease to exsist?

He still has to exert enough force against it and swing his arms to be able to complete the move.




He was struggling to even speak with the air pressure and you can see the strain on his face even in his final position. It's still a nerf.

It either evens out, or it's a nerf.

Think of it like Phase Locked Loop. The force resulting from throw is always there. However, once acceleration falls below zero, air resistance will also decrease and this will result in increase of net force in the direction of the throw. Eventually, theoretically, it evens out. However, his net speed will not be zero.

 

[Tripod]

Think of it like Phase Locked Loop. The force resulting from throw is always there. However, once acceleration falls below zero, air resistance will also decrease and this will result in increase of net force in the direction of the throw. Eventually, theoretically, it evens out. However, his net speed will not be zero.

So once Zoro is flying for a bit and is no longer accelerating as much, he begins to normal the wind resistance and his momentum acts as the bigger buff to his forward strike?

 

[Marimo_420]

Think of it like Phase Locked Loop. The force resulting from throw is always there. However, once acceleration falls below zero, air resistance will also decrease and this will result in increase of net force in the direction of the throw. Eventually, theoretically, it evens out. However, his net speed will not be zero.

Are you sure you're talking about air resistance and not velocity? Velocity will indeed reach 0 but the air resistance is always constant. The force that's against him is always the same unless he slows down.

 

[chacharealsmooth]

So once Zoro is flying for a bit and is no longer accelerating as much, he begins to normal the wind resistance and his momentum acts as the bigger buff to his forward strike?

You are close, but his net force eventually becomes zero and he gets an eventual constant velocity. He basically “locks in” around a constant velocity value, so to say. At the beginning, his speed and the air resistance effecting him increases repeatedly (Fnet =(Fthrow - Fair)>0) At a certain point, Fair passes Fthrow, hence acceleration becomes negative and velocity gets reduced. However, since velocity gets reduced, Fair decreases and Fnet increases in the direction of Fthrow. If net force is still negative, it means that velocity gets reduced further, therefore, Fair gets reduced and Fnet increases. The system eventually balances itself (when net force becomes zero) and until then, velocity is ringing around a certain value.

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Are you sure you're talking about air resistance and not velocity? Velocity will indeed reach 0 but the air resistance is always constant. The force that's against him is always the same unless he slows down.

Air resistance, or drag so to say, is dependent on velocity of the object.

 

[Albino 👑]

The “logic” it takes to suggest that Luffy fights enemies that are far superior to the enemies Zoro fights at any given time, yet would be less adequately able to attack and defend himself against those massively stronger enemies than Zoro would against the massively weaker enemies is just laughable. Zoro fanboys stay the second worst fanbase in this fandom.

Lol? Luffy’s use of CoA to create Gear Four says otherwise. There is nothing Zoro does with CoA that competes with Luffy’s usage, be it strength, skill, etx

I say that cause zoro was able to use it in a way luffy wasn't. Tho he learned how to use it from hyogoro and even surpassed it

Yeah luffy being able to fuse his armament with his devil fruit is likely also a high level technique but its hard to compare that usage to some one that doesn't even have a devil fruit

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zoro doesnt need to use armament to defend himself just like oden just because he doesnt coat his body doesnt mean his coa is weaker than luffy mr yc3 kyoshiro vs zoro
zoro would cut trough his haki like butter deal with it what about condom getting his haki broken by bellamy and now with his power up adv coa shit getting his haki broken by fucking ulti

Just because zoro so far doesn't now how to defend himself doesn't mean oden can't. They aren't even on the same level
Either way him not knowing doesn't mean its automatically weaker luffy vs has better armament vs armament feats.

Like i know your trolling and all so believe whatever you want to believe i guess idk

 

[Marimo_420]

Air resistance, or drag so to say, is dependent on velocity of the object.

True, forget i said anything in the last post.

Would you say he's near enough at terminal velocity before he uses 3000 worlds ? And therefore he should experience near enough peak air resistance within that position of his flight.

Does he still not need to push against the air resistance for him to complete the cut?

And also should he not simply push the mountain forward due to his "momentum" or does he instead cut and blow the mountain upwards because he's that much of a beast?

 

[HA001]

I say that cause zoro was able to use it in a way luffy wasn't. Tho he learned how to use it from hyogoro and even surpassed it

Yeah luffy being able to fuse his armament with his devil fruit is likely also a high level technique but its hard to compare that usage to some one that doesn't even have a devil fruit

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Just because zoro so far doesn't now how to defend himself doesn't mean oden can't. They aren't even on the same level
Either way him not knowing doesn't mean its automatically weaker luffy vs has better armament vs armament feats.

Like i know your trolling and all so believe whatever you want to believe i guess idk

Youre the one whose trolling.
Haki comes from the body not weapons
Using haki on your body is basic.

 

[Albino 👑]

Youre the one whose trolling.
Haki comes from the body not weapons
Using haki on your body is basic.

And like i said zoro was more skillful in armament pre wano

Tho that doesn't mean his haki is stronger unless you believe every weapon user has stronger haki

 

[HA001]

And like i said zoro was more skillful in armament pre wano

Tho that doesn't mean his haki is stronger unless you believe every weapon user has stronger haki

Stronger haki doesnt break to hodys bite.

 

[Albino 👑]

Stronger haki doesnt break to hodys bite.

Why doesn't it?
Its not like zoro has been shown to be able to defend his body from anything like that

Weve seen luffy clash with multiple characters with strong armament pre wano

We only really know zoro had stronger haki than pica pre wano

 

[HA001]

Why doesn't it?
Its not like zoro has been shown to be able to defend his body from anything like that

Weve seen luffy clash with multiple characters with strong armament pre wano

We only really know zoro had stronger haki than pica pre wano

Mountain busting force >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> force of hodys bite.

Luffy with haki despite being rubber too was broken by a base ulti. A zoan user so she didnt even have her fruit power which magnifies her headbutt power.

 

[Tripod]

Stronger haki doesnt break to hodys bite.

Unless the bite has enough force behind it

Luffy with haki despite being rubber too was broken by a base ulti.

he didn’t apply any counter force and opted to absorb the impact
When Big mom did that her arm was rattled, but against Marco there was an even clash and he’s<=pre Wano Gear 4

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Base durability of the object hardened and the force applied to it when attacking or defending matter just as much if not more than the objects hardness once haki is applied

This is why the thread should be locked; we do not have a way to control the first two variables and thus we cannot directly compare the results once we know the only difference in the comparison is applied haki hardness

 

[Albino 👑]

Mountain busting force >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> force of hodys bite.

Luffy with haki despite being rubber too was broken by a base ulti. A zoan user so she didnt even have her fruit power which magnifies her headbutt power.

Yet Luffy still has the better armament vs armament portrayal against way stronger characters

1. Luffy was easily able to break through chinjao's haki
2. Pica's haki was hyped to be tougher to cut than his golem and doffys haki is definitely stronger than his. With luffy being able to break through it and defend himself from some of his higher end attacks
3. Cracker wasn't able to break through luffy's armament till he used his real body
4. Not even katakuri was able to overwhelm luffys armament till he used block mochi

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Should be Pre Wano Luffy, he fought stronger characters. But since Zoro focused on CoA haki during ts and it's his speciality, Oda can go with Zoro.
At present, ofcrs it is Luffy by big Margin. The new Haki he has is the most advanced version.

 

[HA001]

Unless the bite has enough force behind it

he didn’t apply any counter force and opted to absorb the impact
When Big mom did that her arm was rattled, but against Marco there was an even clash and he’s<=pre Wano Gear 4

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Base durability of the object hardened and the force applied to it when attacking or defending matter just as much if not more than the objects hardness once haki is applied

This is why the thread should be locked; we do not have a way to control the first two variables and thus we cannot directly compare the results once we know the only difference in the comparison is applied haki hardness

Luffy already has a fruit that gives him immunity to blunt force blows, people here are quick to talk about zoros sword but act like luffys not being carried by his fruit power.

Luffy was easily able to break through chinjao's haki

So ? chinjao is fodder

Pica's haki was hyped to be tougher to cut than his golem and doffys haki is definitely stronger than his. With luffy being able to break through it and defend himself from some of his higher end attacks

no it isnt zoro used a weaker attack on pica than he did the golem
based on what ? doffys coa is shit it couldnt even handle grabbing a non haki clad non graded sword

Cracker wasn't able to break through luffy's armament till he used his real body

No. cracker with his real body ripped through g4 luffy with ease thats not just luffys haki but deference boosted cause of g4

Not even katakuri was able to overwhelm luffys armament till he used block mochi

why are you talking about kata boosting himself yet acting like luffy doesnt do the same ?
luffy boosts his defence with g4 and STILL has his haki broken

 

[Tripod]

Luffy already has a fruit that gives him immunity to blunt force blows, people here are quick to talk about zoros sword but act like luffys not being carried by his fruit power.

No ones denying this
In plenty of cases, his blunt immunity coupled with his physical strength and haki mitigate tons of damage that he would take otherwise

But to directly compare Luffy’s haki to Zoro’s; we’d have to take into account his very high quality swords(none of which we’re chipped/nicked before he could use CoA), his very high physical strength as well as his CoA
Then we’d have to equalize their strength and the durability of what they’re choosing to harden with haki(swords vs rubber) to properly compare haki

 

[HA001]

No ones denying this
In plenty of cases, his blunt immunity coupled with his physical strength and haki mitigate tons of damage that he would take otherwise

But to directly compare Luffy’s haki to Zoro’s; we’d have to take into account his very high quality swords(none of which we’re chipped/nicked before he could use CoA), his very high physical strength as well as his CoA
Then we’d have to equalize their strength and the durability of what they’re choosing to harden with haki(swords vs rubber) to properly compare haki

Luffys fruit gives him immunity to blunt attacks to begin with.
Then adding haki further layer of defence
Then adding the muscle mass and haki futher boosted by g4
Which can even go even further with tankman so how is that fair ?
Yet youre talking about swords.
I bet kiku has a meito yet that was broken with ease by kaido.

 

[Tripod]

The only direct comparison is actually Fujitora
Luffy with hardening and inflated bones parried Fujitora
Zoro did that without black hardening

This doesn’t necessarily mean that Luffy couldn’t parry a hardened Zoro barehanded but we don’t really know, if anything this is just a feat Luffy cannot duplicate barehanded unless he uses haki, although that’s obvious as steel is harder than rubber

 

[HA001]

The only direct comparison is actually Fujitora
Luffy with hardening and inflated bones parried Fujitora
Zoro did that without black hardening

This doesn’t necessarily mean that Luffy couldn’t parry a hardened Zoro barehanded but we don’t really know, if anything this is just a feat Luffy cannot duplicate barehanded unless he uses haki, although that’s obvious as steel is harder than rubber

Once again gravity affects zoro but wont have the same effect as it does on luffy.