Powers & Abilities Pre-Wano Luffy CoA vs Zoro CoA
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The thing is, we have no clue if their abilities can retain their attributes while hardened with haki like Luffy’s can
He, somehow, when using Gear 4; can harmonize his elasticity with his haki’s hardness
We have no clue if Pica has the same fluid like control over his stone if he were to harden it for example
So I’d argue that Luffy’s application of CoA is shown to be different, and better for that matter
I’d also argue that his haki doesn’t get harder in Gear 4, but it provides a better mechanic with the use of his haki
He, somehow, when using Gear 4; can harmonize his elasticity with his haki’s hardness
We have no clue if Pica has the same fluid like control over his stone if he were to harden it for example
So I’d argue that Luffy’s application of CoA is shown to be different, and better for that matter
I’d also argue that his haki doesn’t get harder in Gear 4, but it provides a better mechanic with the use of his haki
His tensile force of the DF gets the benefit from Haki hardening the rubber.
It is DF attributes that change, not Haki itself. Haki never changes unless there is growth.
No reason why hardened stone would lose the fluidity of movement when it should be impossible for stone to move in the first place.
It is DF attributes that change, not Haki itself. Haki never changes unless there is growth.
No reason why hardened stone would lose the fluidity of movement when it should be impossible for stone to move in the first place.
Yes, you said there’s no difference in Luffy’s application of haki, there is
not in one piece
Pica can't utilize the attributes of his fruit along with hardening, at least we haven't seen it
This is why Luffy's application is better
Yeah, Diced mochi too, as well as Doflamingo technically
I'm only talking about Pica and Vergo
I'm not saying Gear 4 makes Luffy's haki harder
It's just a better application of haki than what we've seen from FBH users
not in one piece
Pica can't utilize the attributes of his fruit along with hardening, at least we haven't seen it
This is why Luffy's application is better
We do have proof that others can combine DF properties with hardening.
Katakuri can retain the mochi properties, here we see the stickiness of mochi while hardened:
The hardened parts not only retain the stickiness of mochi, but we can clearly see it stretching as well:
Katakuri can retain the mochi properties, here we see the stickiness of mochi while hardened:
The hardened parts not only retain the stickiness of mochi, but we can clearly see it stretching as well:
I'm only talking about Pica and Vergo
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I'm not saying Gear 4 makes Luffy's haki harder
It's just a better application of haki than what we've seen from FBH users
Jesus
I'm not saying that
I'm saying the way Luffy applies his haki only in Gear 4, results in harmonized elasticity and hardness
It's not "stronger" in that it's become harder. It's better because it provides 2 things rather than 1
We haven't seen them do what Luffy, Katakuri and Doflamingo can
Based on the list of people we've seen harmonize their haki with their DF's attributes, it's safe to assume their might be a higher tier of DF and haki mastery that Pica just doesn't use
Katakuri and Doffy are awakened, and Luffy can only do it with Gear 4
Pica and Vergo haven't shown it, that's why Luffy's application is different from FBH while in G4
I'm not saying that
I'm saying the way Luffy applies his haki only in Gear 4, results in harmonized elasticity and hardness
It's not "stronger" in that it's become harder. It's better because it provides 2 things rather than 1
We haven't seen them do what Luffy, Katakuri and Doflamingo can
Based on the list of people we've seen harmonize their haki with their DF's attributes, it's safe to assume their might be a higher tier of DF and haki mastery that Pica just doesn't use
Katakuri and Doffy are awakened, and Luffy can only do it with Gear 4
Pica and Vergo haven't shown it, that's why Luffy's application is different from FBH while in G4
Oda needed to develop the stuff regarding the blood transfusion between gyojins and humans -> Luffy needed to be in a "grave" state, his blood was a rare type and Jinbei, a leader for gyojins, with same group blood, was the one to give him blood in front of all the people and established the end for that ancient law.
That's a plot reason for Hody being able to pierce Luffy.
Ahh, and if Luffy was at his full health, he would destroy Noah. You know, that ship of the promise, which would be important in the future...
One only can be a moron aka Zorolieber or a person with the capacity of analysis of a kindergarden kid to not see why that bite was for the purpose of the plot lol.
And second thing, Hody only pierced through Luffy INVISIBLE CoA, not against his Kouka CoA (black Haki). So I can play with that too. Hody never pierced his Kouka, so this argument against Luffy's CoA is ridiculous, AGAIN.
Cracker slash is not above God Thread since God Thread never attacked Luffy, it clashed with another attack. And I don't need to explain what would happen to Cracker slash if he were to clash with a KKG no?
1º There is nothing there. Luffy blocks his kick and DD didn't even touch him with his strings.
2º Doffy hurt Luffy's cheek, not his arm. His arm has no damage where the Haki was displayed. Luffy lost in the "physical" contest. His block was not enough to block Doffy's kick force. That's all.
P.S: I can only see 2 images of the 3. The one in the middle is empty.
That's a plot reason for Hody being able to pierce Luffy.
Ahh, and if Luffy was at his full health, he would destroy Noah. You know, that ship of the promise, which would be important in the future...
One only can be a moron aka Zorolieber or a person with the capacity of analysis of a kindergarden kid to not see why that bite was for the purpose of the plot lol.
And second thing, Hody only pierced through Luffy INVISIBLE CoA, not against his Kouka CoA (black Haki). So I can play with that too. Hody never pierced his Kouka, so this argument against Luffy's CoA is ridiculous, AGAIN.
Cracker slash is not above God Thread since God Thread never attacked Luffy, it clashed with another attack. And I don't need to explain what would happen to Cracker slash if he were to clash with a KKG no?
Not true, I can remember three instances where Doffy broke through Luffy's hardening
2º Doffy hurt Luffy's cheek, not his arm. His arm has no damage where the Haki was displayed. Luffy lost in the "physical" contest. His block was not enough to block Doffy's kick force. That's all.
P.S: I can only see 2 images of the 3. The one in the middle is empty.
I think another thing we should clear up in this thread is being overpowered vs someone legitimately breaking your haki
Ulti overpowered Luffy with her AP, he tried to stand his ground against her forte and was knocked back, that doesn’t indicate inferior haki
Cracker broke through Luffy’s haki with a strike although even then, Luffy’s out stretched arm provided much less elasticity for defending himself, and Cracker used a very high quality sword, Katakuri is a better example
Ulti overpowered Luffy with her AP, he tried to stand his ground against her forte and was knocked back, that doesn’t indicate inferior haki
Cracker broke through Luffy’s haki with a strike although even then, Luffy’s out stretched arm provided much less elasticity for defending himself, and Cracker used a very high quality sword, Katakuri is a better example
He's bleeding, he blocked with his arms:
Bruh.
If the Mountain hit you with a sword and you block with a shield and the shield hit your face during the clash, you would lose your teeth while the shield would be unscatched since the Mountain does not have the AP to cut it.
What's so difficult to understand lol?
Yes, there is harmony between haki and rubber which makes the gear itself possible.
It is not better since there is nothing to be better at. DF itself becomes better since thanks to haki it's capable of better tensile force.
Pica cant be using haki on a mountain, that's simply impossible, not just for Pica but anyone who would use his DF.
On a smaller form, he simply never applied it so you could be right or wrong, I cant tell since we dont have example from manga.
Pica's golem body is simply too huge to be used on it since it's a fake body, not his real one. Sanjuan Wolf doesnt have that problem.
Vergo achieved harmony between his bamboo stick and haki, he made use of tensile force to make a blow gun...
Vergo's haki didnt become better just because he changed the shape of the bamboo stick. Haki is always the same.
Pica simply has no need for such, his body is already huge and inflated through sheer amount of stone he is absorbing.
It is not better since there is nothing to be better at. DF itself becomes better since thanks to haki it's capable of better tensile force.
Pica cant be using haki on a mountain, that's simply impossible, not just for Pica but anyone who would use his DF.
On a smaller form, he simply never applied it so you could be right or wrong, I cant tell since we dont have example from manga.
Pica's golem body is simply too huge to be used on it since it's a fake body, not his real one. Sanjuan Wolf doesnt have that problem.
Vergo achieved harmony between his bamboo stick and haki, he made use of tensile force to make a blow gun...
Vergo's haki didnt become better just because he changed the shape of the bamboo stick. Haki is always the same.
Pica simply has no need for such, his body is already huge and inflated through sheer amount of stone he is absorbing.
